Re: [asa] Event or process

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Thu May 17 2007 - 21:20:34 EDT

Your first paragraph shows a very low and inadeqaute view of the material
world and of our physical bodies - which are God's good creation and on
which God has put his final seal of approval in the Incarnation and
resurrection of Christ. In addition, the argument from incredulity is not
very strong.

Your second paragraph begs the basic question.


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How can what is dishonorable, perishiable, natural and
weak evolve into what is glorious, imperishable,
spiritual, and powerful?

Before you say that this only applies to our resurrection
bodies havent we already been given something

II Cor 5:5 Now it is God who has made us for this very
purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit,
guaranteeing what is to come.

I honestly cant see any other logical possiblitity except
that at some point in our the evolution of our
minds/spirit God supernaturally intervened and placed an
eternal soul(spirit) in us, and only in us (not animals).

Burgy, you might be correct in saying that the bible is
not clear on this, but if dogs can be resurrected, then
what else, in your opinion, is of the kind that can be
resurrected? Does it stop at mammals, invetebrates,
multicelled organisms? I think anywhere you would draw
the line, I would have more scriptural support for it
being Man alone than you would.

On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:30:51 -0400
  "George Murphy" <> wrote:
> Those are rather idiosyncratic definitions & cast the whole question in a
> different way. I would then say briefly -
> 1) God is the ultimate cause of everything that happens.
> 2) The vast majority of things that happen in the world can be explained
> in terms of natural processes through which God works. (Primary &
> secondary causation if you wish.)
> 3) I think that a great deal of human mental ability evolved in the way
> sketched in 1) & see no compelling reason to say that the "soul" didn't
> also come about in that way.
> Shalom
> George
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> From: Carol or John Burgeson To: Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Event or process
> David Buller wrote: "
> Which is exactly why I took the position that it was an event and a
> process. I think the "phase change analogy" is a great one for this very
> reason."
> Perhaps I need to define the two words more tightly.
> An "event" in this case means a direct (non-natural causation)
> intervention by divinity. A "process" means natural causation only.
> With these definitions, it has to be one or the other.
> Burgy
> "The first key to wisdom is frequent questioning. For it is by doubting
> that we come in enquiry and by enquiry we arrive at the truth." -- Abelard
> (Review of Eugenie Scott's EVOLUTION AND

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