[asa] Re: [asa] Re: [asa] O Freunde, nicht diese Töne (was Re: [asa] animals)

From: Robert Schneider <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon May 14 2007 - 19:12:07 EDT

Terry, the fish Jesus ate was roasted on a charcoal fire (John 21:9), but I
like your point.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry M. Gray" <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu>
To: "AmericanScientificAffiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Re: [asa] O Freunde, nicht diese Töne (was Re: [asa]
animals)

>I don't think we have to speak about "dog heaven" or "animal souls" to
>believe that there will be animals on the "New Earth" (that, I believe, is
>the proper way to speak of our eschatological future, rather than
>"heaven"). The purposes of the original creation will be fully realized
>(not just a return to Eden, but a eschatological realization of the
>creational and redemptive purposes of God with perhaps even continued
>unfolding of God's purposes in creation). I don't really see why this
>would necessarily exclude carnivory and even human beings eating animals.
>Didn't Jesus eat fried fish in his new spiritual body?
>
> So will there be animals in "heaven"--most likely. Will they be
> resurrected versions of the one who died here on earth--I have my doubts.
>
> TG
>
> On May 14, 2007, at 4:06 PM, David Campbell wrote:
>
>>> I don't want to get very speculative about "dog heaven" or anything
>>> like
>>> that. But the statement that God plans to unite "all things" in Christ
>>> &
>>> that "all things" are to be reconciled to God through the cross
>>> suggests
>>> very strongly that the non-human parts of creation have some place in
>>> God's
>>> ultimate future. & I don't take Is.11:6-9 "literally," but it points
>>> toward
>>> something, & the imagery of animals in the peaceable kingdom can't be
>>> dismissed entirely.
>>
>> Haldane was actually onto something here ("an inordinate fondness for
>> beetles") -creation certainly looks as though God likes biological and
>> other diversity. However, what the eternal manifestation of that
>> pattern might be is an open question.
>>
>> Lewis had the not entirely serious suggestion that mosquito heaven and
>> human hell could overlap.
>>
>> --
>> Dr. David Campbell
>> 425 Scientific Collections
>> University of Alabama
>> "I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"
>>
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