Re: [asa] Re: [asa] O Freunde, nicht diese Töne (was Re: [asa] animals)

From: Terry M. Gray <>
Date: Mon May 14 2007 - 18:48:13 EDT

I don't think we have to speak about "dog heaven" or "animal souls"
to believe that there will be animals on the "New Earth" (that, I
believe, is the proper way to speak of our eschatological future,
rather than "heaven"). The purposes of the original creation will be
fully realized (not just a return to Eden, but a eschatological
realization of the creational and redemptive purposes of God with
perhaps even continued unfolding of God's purposes in creation). I
don't really see why this would necessarily exclude carnivory and
even human beings eating animals. Didn't Jesus eat fried fish in his
new spiritual body?

So will there be animals in "heaven"--most likely. Will they be
resurrected versions of the one who died here on earth--I have my


On May 14, 2007, at 4:06 PM, David Campbell wrote:

>> I don't want to get very speculative about "dog heaven" or
>> anything like
>> that. But the statement that God plans to unite "all things" in
>> Christ &
>> that "all things" are to be reconciled to God through the cross
>> suggests
>> very strongly that the non-human parts of creation have some place
>> in God's
>> ultimate future. & I don't take Is.11:6-9 "literally," but it
>> points toward
>> something, & the imagery of animals in the peaceable kingdom can't be
>> dismissed entirely.
> Haldane was actually onto something here ("an inordinate fondness for
> beetles") -creation certainly looks as though God likes biological and
> other diversity. However, what the eternal manifestation of that
> pattern might be is an open question.
> Lewis had the not entirely serious suggestion that mosquito heaven and
> human hell could overlap.
> --
> Dr. David Campbell
> 425 Scientific Collections
> University of Alabama
> "I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"
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Terry M. Gray, Ph.D.
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