Re: [asa] Re: ASA stance

From: Jack <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
Date: Sat May 12 2007 - 20:18:41 EDT

I never thought that the point of this thread was to exclude ayone. I
thought the point was to make a clear statement, as a group, about the age
of the earth. If someone who does not agreee with that view wants to be a
member I see no reason to exclude them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine Smith" <christine_mb_smith@yahoo.com>
To: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Re: ASA stance

> In the course of these discussions I'm reminded of
> some song lyrics by the group Casting Crowns--
>
> "Jesus paid much too high a price
> For us to pick and choose who should come
> Cause we are the body of Christ"
>
> Let us never be accused of excluding Christians from
> our fellowship...
>
>
> The ASA believes that:
> "As an organization, the ASA does not take a position
> when there is honest disagreement between Christians
> on an issue. We are committed to providing an open
> forum where controversies can be discussed without
> fear of unjust condemnation. Legitimate differences of
> opinion among Christians who have studied both the
> Bible and science are freely expressed within the
> Affiliation in a context of Christian love and concern
> for truth."
>
> I would interpret this to mean that we respect the
> integrity of the scientific *process* and the
> prayerful process of interpreting scripture, but that
> the resulting conclusions reached by our brothers and
> sisters should be respected as "legitimate differences
> of opinion"; that being said, we are bound to admonish
> each other in both science and scriptural
> interpretation in order to maintain the integrity of
> the truth as much as we are able to discern it. Where
> there is no *honest disagreement* about this truth,
> then I think it is appropriate for ASA to take a
> stance. If we are not sure whether or not *honest
> disagreement* exists, then I think it would be better
> to remain charitable to the minority opinion by not
> taking such a stand. This may not be the most PR savy
> thing to do, but then, Jesus was more concerned with
> people and relationships, not PR.
>
> So I think the question that we have to focus on as an
> organization is this: is there an *honest
> disagreement* among us that both the Biblical and
> scientific understanding put forth in a YEC framework
> is not representative of the truth? If ASA, as a
> group, is satisfied that YEC does not represent truth,
> either Biblically or scientifically, then I think ASA
> should make a *respectful* statement to this effect;
> in conjunction with this however, it should be made
> *very clear* that the organization nevertheless
> welcomes *all* Christians in fellowship, regardless of
> their position on this issue.
>
> Christine Smith
>
>
>
> --- George Murphy <gmurphy@raex.com> wrote:
>
>> & since YEC does not "reflect ... commitment to
>> intrgrity in the practice of science," it would be
>> quite appropriate for the organization to take a
>> stand against it. That could be said in the
>> abstract about the lot of positions, but at present
>> it's especially YEC that misleads many Christians &
>> makes Christianity look foolish to scientifically
>> literate people. It is current & active errors that
>> need to be denounced. Conversely, ASA fails in its
>> responsibilities if it does not speak out against
>> such a current dangers & contents itself with
>> generalities.
>>
>> Again - this does not mean that people who
>> personally hold to a young earth view have to be
>> "excommunicated" & I don't think they should be.
>> Shalom
>> George
>> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Opderbeck
>> To: Alexanian, Moorad
>> Cc: Dick Fischer ; ASA
>> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Re: ASA stance
>>
>>
>> I tend to agree with Moorad here. The ASA
>> statement of purpose and beliefs seems perfectly
>> adequate (http://www.asa3.org/ASA/aboutASA.html and
>> http://www.asa3.org/ASA/faithASA.html). There are
>> plenty of opportunities to write and speak about
>> whether any particular YEC position (or ID position,
>> or TE position, or whatever) reflects both "fidelity
>> to the Word of God and a commitment to integrity in
>> the practice of science." Let's primarily define
>> ourselves positively, rather than negatively.
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/07, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
>> wrote:
>> The basis for ASA membership covers the whole
>> gamut from those interested in science to practicing
>> scientist. It is awarding of fellows that some
>> criteria may be in play. In addition, publishing in
>> PSCF goes through the usual peer-review scrutiny.
>> Therefore, I do not see why a YEC should be banned
>> from ASA. This is essentially, what is written in
>> last page in any issue of PSCF.
>>
>>
>>
>> Moorad
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of
>> Dick Fischer
>> Sent: Sat 5/12/2007 1:14 PM
>> To: ASA
>> Subject: RE: [asa] Re: ASA stance
>>
>>
>>
>> ASA stands for integrity in science. YECs trash
>> science. Why are they
>> welcome? Are non-Christians welcome? Are
>> members of Satanic cults
>> welcome? Muslims? Hindus? Why not just
>> welcome everybody regardless
>> of religious beliefs or attitudes toward
>> science?
>>
>> IDers are and should be welcome. They are
>> theists and respect science
>> even though they have a theory that does not
>> qualify as science.
>>
>> I would be against mentioning YEC at all. Tell
>> everybody what we
>> believe, include earth age and biological
>> evolution too if you like, and
>> those who believe as we do are free to join.
>> Simple.
>>
>> Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
>> Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
>> www.genesisproclaimed.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:
>> asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Dave Wallace
>> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:34 AM
>> Cc: ASA list
>> Subject: [asa] Re: ASA stance
>>
>> Bill Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I would vote for an ASA policy that said
>> essentially
>> >
>> > 1. All ASA members pledge to treat Christian
>> brothers respectfully
>> > 2. YECs are welcome in ASA. However, the ASA
>> accepts the current
>> > geological estimates of the age of the earth
>> and biological evolution
>> > 3. The mission of ASA includes teaching sound
>> science in the Christian
>>
>> > community
>> >
>>
>> As I have thought about it and seen the
>> responses my take is that Bill's
>>
>> suggestion is much better than the one I made
>> namely:
>>
>> <quote>
>> If the issue ever comes up for a vote, probably
>> in the end I would opt
>> for excluding YEC at least from voting
>> membership especially considering
>>
>> that they have formed their own organizations to
>> deal with origins.
>> </quote>
>>
>> UcD does not seem to have been treating TEs at
>> all respectfully IMHO and
>>
>> that is not just in posts but in headline
>> articles that have been
>> affirmed or written by the blog owners.
>>
>>
>> Dave W
>>
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