Re: [asa] Re: ASA stance

From: Christine Smith <>
Date: Sat May 12 2007 - 20:03:43 EDT

In the course of these discussions I'm reminded of
some song lyrics by the group Casting Crowns--

"Jesus paid much too high a price
For us to pick and choose who should come
Cause we are the body of Christ"

Let us never be accused of excluding Christians from
our fellowship...

The ASA believes that:
"As an organization, the ASA does not take a position
when there is honest disagreement between Christians
on an issue. We are committed to providing an open
forum where controversies can be discussed without
fear of unjust condemnation. Legitimate differences of
opinion among Christians who have studied both the
Bible and science are freely expressed within the
Affiliation in a context of Christian love and concern
for truth."

I would interpret this to mean that we respect the
integrity of the scientific *process* and the
prayerful process of interpreting scripture, but that
the resulting conclusions reached by our brothers and
sisters should be respected as "legitimate differences
of opinion"; that being said, we are bound to admonish
each other in both science and scriptural
interpretation in order to maintain the integrity of
the truth as much as we are able to discern it. Where
there is no *honest disagreement* about this truth,
then I think it is appropriate for ASA to take a
stance. If we are not sure whether or not *honest
disagreement* exists, then I think it would be better
to remain charitable to the minority opinion by not
taking such a stand. This may not be the most PR savy
thing to do, but then, Jesus was more concerned with
people and relationships, not PR.

So I think the question that we have to focus on as an
organization is this: is there an *honest
disagreement* among us that both the Biblical and
scientific understanding put forth in a YEC framework
is not representative of the truth? If ASA, as a
group, is satisfied that YEC does not represent truth,
either Biblically or scientifically, then I think ASA
should make a *respectful* statement to this effect;
in conjunction with this however, it should be made
*very clear* that the organization nevertheless
welcomes *all* Christians in fellowship, regardless of
their position on this issue.

Christine Smith

--- George Murphy <> wrote:

> & since YEC does not "reflect ... commitment to
> intrgrity in the practice of science," it would be
> quite appropriate for the organization to take a
> stand against it. That could be said in the
> abstract about the lot of positions, but at present
> it's especially YEC that misleads many Christians &
> makes Christianity look foolish to scientifically
> literate people. It is current & active errors that
> need to be denounced. Conversely, ASA fails in its
> responsibilities if it does not speak out against
> such a current dangers & contents itself with
> generalities.
> Again - this does not mean that people who
> personally hold to a young earth view have to be
> "excommunicated" & I don't think they should be.
> Shalom
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Opderbeck
> To: Alexanian, Moorad
> Cc: Dick Fischer ; ASA
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Re: ASA stance
> I tend to agree with Moorad here. The ASA
> statement of purpose and beliefs seems perfectly
> adequate ( and
> There are
> plenty of opportunities to write and speak about
> whether any particular YEC position (or ID position,
> or TE position, or whatever) reflects both "fidelity
> to the Word of God and a commitment to integrity in
> the practice of science." Let's primarily define
> ourselves positively, rather than negatively.
> On 5/12/07, Alexanian, Moorad <>
> wrote:
> The basis for ASA membership covers the whole
> gamut from those interested in science to practicing
> scientist. It is awarding of fellows that some
> criteria may be in play. In addition, publishing in
> PSCF goes through the usual peer-review scrutiny.
> Therefore, I do not see why a YEC should be banned
> from ASA. This is essentially, what is written in
> last page in any issue of PSCF.
> Moorad
> ________________________________
> From: on behalf of
> Dick Fischer
> Sent: Sat 5/12/2007 1:14 PM
> To: ASA
> Subject: RE: [asa] Re: ASA stance
> ASA stands for integrity in science. YECs trash
> science. Why are they
> welcome? Are non-Christians welcome? Are
> members of Satanic cults
> welcome? Muslims? Hindus? Why not just
> welcome everybody regardless
> of religious beliefs or attitudes toward
> science?
> IDers are and should be welcome. They are
> theists and respect science
> even though they have a theory that does not
> qualify as science.
> I would be against mentioning YEC at all. Tell
> everybody what we
> believe, include earth age and biological
> evolution too if you like, and
> those who believe as we do are free to join.
> Simple.
> Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
> Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:
>] On
> Behalf Of Dave Wallace
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:34 AM
> Cc: ASA list
> Subject: [asa] Re: ASA stance
> Bill Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > I would vote for an ASA policy that said
> essentially
> >
> > 1. All ASA members pledge to treat Christian
> brothers respectfully
> > 2. YECs are welcome in ASA. However, the ASA
> accepts the current
> > geological estimates of the age of the earth
> and biological evolution
> > 3. The mission of ASA includes teaching sound
> science in the Christian
> > community
> >
> As I have thought about it and seen the
> responses my take is that Bill's
> suggestion is much better than the one I made
> namely:
> <quote>
> If the issue ever comes up for a vote, probably
> in the end I would opt
> for excluding YEC at least from voting
> membership especially considering
> that they have formed their own organizations to
> deal with origins.
> </quote>
> UcD does not seem to have been treating TEs at
> all respectfully IMHO and
> that is not just in posts but in headline
> articles that have been
> affirmed or written by the blog owners.
> Dave W
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