Re: [asa] Re: ASA stance

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Sat May 12 2007 - 19:38:53 EDT

& since YEC does not "reflect ... commitment to intrgrity in the practice of science," it would be quite appropriate for the organization to take a stand against it. That could be said in the abstract about the lot of positions, but at present it's especially YEC that misleads many Christians & makes Christianity look foolish to scientifically literate people. It is current & active errors that need to be denounced. Conversely, ASA fails in its responsibilities if it does not speak out against such a current dangers & contents itself with generalities.

Again - this does not mean that people who personally hold to a young earth view have to be "excommunicated" & I don't think they should be.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Opderbeck
  To: Alexanian, Moorad
  Cc: Dick Fischer ; ASA
  Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Re: ASA stance

  I tend to agree with Moorad here. The ASA statement of purpose and beliefs seems perfectly adequate ( and There are plenty of opportunities to write and speak about whether any particular YEC position (or ID position, or TE position, or whatever) reflects both "fidelity to the Word of God and a commitment to integrity in the practice of science." Let's primarily define ourselves positively, rather than negatively.

  On 5/12/07, Alexanian, Moorad <> wrote:
    The basis for ASA membership covers the whole gamut from those interested in science to practicing scientist. It is awarding of fellows that some criteria may be in play. In addition, publishing in PSCF goes through the usual peer-review scrutiny. Therefore, I do not see why a YEC should be banned from ASA. This is essentially, what is written in last page in any issue of PSCF.



    From: on behalf of Dick Fischer
    Sent: Sat 5/12/2007 1:14 PM
    To: ASA
    Subject: RE: [asa] Re: ASA stance

    ASA stands for integrity in science. YECs trash science. Why are they
    welcome? Are non-Christians welcome? Are members of Satanic cults
    welcome? Muslims? Hindus? Why not just welcome everybody regardless
    of religious beliefs or attitudes toward science?

    IDers are and should be welcome. They are theists and respect science
    even though they have a theory that does not qualify as science.

    I would be against mentioning YEC at all. Tell everybody what we
    believe, include earth age and biological evolution too if you like, and
    those who believe as we do are free to join. Simple.

    Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
    Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History

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    From: [mailto:] On
    Behalf Of Dave Wallace
    Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:34 AM
    Cc: ASA list
    Subject: [asa] Re: ASA stance

    Bill Hamilton wrote:

> I would vote for an ASA policy that said essentially
> 1. All ASA members pledge to treat Christian brothers respectfully
> 2. YECs are welcome in ASA. However, the ASA accepts the current
> geological estimates of the age of the earth and biological evolution
> 3. The mission of ASA includes teaching sound science in the Christian

> community

    As I have thought about it and seen the responses my take is that Bill's

    suggestion is much better than the one I made namely:

    If the issue ever comes up for a vote, probably in the end I would opt
    for excluding YEC at least from voting membership especially considering

    that they have formed their own organizations to deal with origins.

    UcD does not seem to have been treating TEs at all respectfully IMHO and

    that is not just in posts but in headline articles that have been
    affirmed or written by the blog owners.

    Dave W

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