Re: [asa] Event or process

From: Jack <>
Date: Wed May 09 2007 - 09:05:43 EDT

While I would agree with you George that God relates to each species in a way appropriate to it. I think it is clearly biblical to say that our species is spiritually unique.

Instead of listing a bunch of passages supporting this I am just going to quote from the Westminster confession ( I know you and others do not submit to the confession) as summary of this doctrine.

From WCF Chapter IV number II "AFTER God had made all the other creatures, he created man, male and female, with reasonable and immortal souls, after his own image, having the law of God written in their hearts, and power to fulfil it; and yet under a possibility of transgressing, being left to the liberty of their own will, which was subject to change."

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: George Murphy
  To: Bill Hamilton ; Christine Smith ;
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Event or process

  1) It may be that "event or process?" is a false dichotomy. In discussing the origin of consciousness (& perhaps by implication "soul"), Teilhard suggested the metaphor of a phase change. Heating a pan of water is a continuous process - the temperature of the liquid rises gradually. But when it reaches 100 C there's an abrupt qualitative change from liquid to vapor. (I'm sorry that I can't give an exact reference - some of my Teilhard books are loaned out.) Perhaps that kind of thing could be linked to the "Gene Mutation Linked to Cognition is Found Only In Humans" article which Rich Blinne posted yesterday.

  2) The problem of "different degrees of 'soulness'" may not be that serious. If God's purpose for creation does indeed have "all things" in view & not just H. sapiens then
  perhaps it's not necessary to find some way of isolating our species as spiritually unique. God relates to each species - & vice versa - in a way appropriate to it.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Bill Hamilton
    To: Christine Smith ;
    Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:17 PM
    Subject: Re: [asa] Event or process

    Christine Smith wrote

    In other words, the development of the "soul"
    throughout evolution is the increasing ability to
    perceive/receive into ourselves God's
    characteristics--consciousness/self-awareness (the
    Great I AM), feelings/emotions (God is love),
    logic/reason (God created natural laws), creativity
    (God created, period!), and finally, morality/free
    will (God is the author of good/evil, makes choices,
    etc), which has come about both through God acting
    in/with/under a process and through God's overt
    actions at critical points in time.

    While I agree that development of spiritual awareness could have been a process, IMO there has to be a definite, discrete step at which God turned human into man. Otherwise there could be all different degrees of "soulness" existing at the same time. Once God had created Adam by breathing His spirit into him (Gen 2:7) then Adam passed on his awareness of God. IOW as a type of Christ, Adam served a similar role: making humans men by telling them about God. This is what I gather of Dick Fisher's view (corrrect me if I'm wrong, Dick) I don't hold this view as the definitive interpretation of Scripture -- just as a plausible explanation.

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