RE: [asa] Dawkins, religion, and children

From: Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
Date: Mon May 07 2007 - 09:58:09 EDT

I agree with PvM. The work of Dawkins has shown that evolutionary theory
has been able to derive the premise "hate sin, love the sinner."

Moorad

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of PvM
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 10:24 PM
To: Jack
Cc: Rich Blinne; Iain Strachan; David Campbell; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Dawkins, religion, and children

You seem to be misunderstanding what I (and Dawkins) are saying. I am
more than willing to acknowledge that Dawkins has a hostility against
religion, what I was pointing out is that this does not mean that
Dawkins hates religious people. I am also not saying that I am the
only one who understands Dawkins, but rather that some on this group
seem to be making assertions which are not just not supported by what
Dawkins has said but even contradicted.

Your brainwashing accusation seems uncalled for. What I am pointing
out is just because some 'great writers in Christian tradition' have
called God to be simple, that this is an argument from authority,
especially when the argument seems to be so flawed.
Great tradition or not, the arguments why God is simple seem to be so
far mostly assertions and running contrary to common sense and
certainly contrary to ID's own thesis.

On 5/6/07, Jack <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> As far as I am concerned this discussion has nothing to do with ID, it
has
> to do with Dawkins arguments against theism, and his hostility towards
all
> religion which you refuse to acknowledge, your sole argument seems to
be
> that you are the only one that understands Dawkins.
>
> As I have said before, the complexity/simplicity of God is an ancient
> discussion, and again, I suggest you spend more time reading the great
> writers in the Christian tradition, and less of Dawkins et al. They
have
> apparently brainwashed you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PvM" <pvm.pandas@gmail.com>
> To: "Jack" <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
> Cc: "Rich Blinne" <rich.blinne@gmail.com>; "Iain Strachan"
> <igd.strachan@gmail.com>; "David Campbell" <pleuronaia@gmail.com>;
> <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Dawkins, religion, and children
>
>
> > As I pointed out one may of course define God to be simple but that
> > does not solve the problem raised by ID that complexity requires a
> > more complex entity.
> > Calling God simple is just a simplistic way of defining away the
> > problem of explanation.
> > How is the complexity/simplificity of God determined? And how does
it
> > rely on materialism?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/07, Jack <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree with you. But the point is that Dawkins argues that God is
> >> highly
> >> improbable because he must be complex. But as Plantiga points
out, God
> >> only must be complex if materialism is a given.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Rich Blinne
> >> To: drsyme@cablespeed.com
> >> Cc: PvM ; Iain Strachan ; David Campbell ; asa@calvin.edu
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:27 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [asa] Dawkins, religion, and children
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/1/07, drsyme@cablespeed.com <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> >> > This is what Plantiga has to say about Dawkins
> >> > improbablity argument:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "...suppose we concede, at least for purposes of argument,
> >> > that God is complex. ..
> >>
> >> I'm not willing to concede that. The Athenasian Creed has God as
simple
> >> and
> >> not complex, viz. without parts. This is not just a Catholic or
Orthodox
> >> thing. Many of the Protestant creeds pick up on this same concept.
For
> >> example from the Westminster Confession:
> >>
> >> "There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in
being and
> >> perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts or
> >> passions,
> >> immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible," etc.
> >>
> >> For a more detailed discussion on divine simplicity and how
Plantinga
> >> interacts with that see here:
> >>
> >> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/divine-simplicity/
> >>
> >
>
>
>

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