Re: [asa] Historical / Other References re: death before the fall

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Fri May 04 2007 - 14:42:34 EDT

I would suggest that you get one of the earlier copies of the Scofield
Bible, which for years was THE standard in conservative churches, and
check the entries on Genesis 1:1, 3, 11 and Romans 5:12. The last notes
moral ruin.

On Fri, 4 May 2007 10:28:50 -0400 "David Opderbeck"
<> writes:
I've been having a friendly discussion with a fellow Christian believer
about how to understand death and the fall in a contemporary scientific
context. I'm trying to collect some helpful reference materials on this
-- particularly references that acknowledge that the fall shouldn't be
thought of as changing the basic order of creation concerning carniverous
animals and such. I have some good contemporary ones, such as C.S. Lews
in "The Problem of Pain," Walton's NIV Application Commentary on Genesis,
C. John Collins' commentary on Gen. 1-4, some of Hugh Ross' books, even
Geisler's Handbook of Christian Apologetics. Can anyone recommend some
other good sources? I'm looking more for exegetical-type material that
deals with Gen. 2, Romans 8, etc., more than broader theological material
on the faith-science relation. I'd be also be interested in references
that discuss this from a historical perspective. My impression is that
the fathers and other important historical figures prior to the
enlightenment basically thought of the prelapsarian world as paradisical,
but I'm wondering whether there's a little more nuance to it than that.

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