Re: [asa] Another Nice Bashing Post from Denyse O'Leary

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Thu May 03 2007 - 13:04:47 EDT

Donald, if they were fair criticisms on the merits, I think you would have a
point. But they are not, IMHO.

How can anyone say what she did given that the most active thread on this
list over the past couple of weeks has been one attacking, very
robustly, Dawkins and his defenders? And of course, this is just an email
list, and as has been said many times, it represents only a handful of
people within the organization and includes people who aren't part of the
organization and who might not even be Christians in any orthodox sense (as
again, the recent Dawkins thread shows).

On 5/3/07, Donald F Calbreath <> wrote:
> I just read Denyse O'Leary's comments and (unfortunately for ASA) she is
> right on with what she says. I have not said much while being on this
> listserv, but the discussion of the last few weeks has made me come close to
> canceling my membership in ASA after over 40 years of being a part of this
> organization.
> The attacks on anyone who espouses a theory of origins other than TE have
> been condescending, often very unchristian and sound like you are only
> trying to make "converts" to your point of view. Rational debate about
> scientific and theological issues is one thing, but treating other
> perspectives as ignorant and misinformed and responding to others in a
> demeaning fashion should not happen.
> When I read in the ASA newsletter about the meeting with AAAS, my fear was
> that faith would be sold down the river in order to achieve an accommodation
> with science. I have no idea who was at the meeting or what was said (and
> have not seen any reports), so all I have to go on is the tone that I see in
> this listserv. This accomodationist approach is very common among many
> Christians in science and will not serve us well in the long run.
> The discussion about preparing homeshooling materials has been somewhat
> humorous, because nobody in the discussion seems to understand why many
> Christians homeschool. The movement is particularly strong here in the
> state of Washington, and I have been involved with homeschooling groups for
> years. The materials you want to develop would get absolutely nowhere with
> parents and students - they can send their kids to public schools if they
> want them indoctrinated with the evolutionary ideas that would be put forth.
> Denyse's comments about the materialistic mindset in modern science is
> correct. I have been working and writing in the field of abnormal
> psychology (or biochemistry and behavior), exploring the assumptions of
> modern neuroscience as they relate to depression and aggressive behavior (my
> paper in PSCF a few years ago looks at some challenges to the prevailing
> paradigm dealing with issues of aggression and altered neurochemical levels
> in the brain). I see little or nothing about this significant challenge to
> the Christian world-view on this listserv (OK, maybe I should throw out a
> question or two and start a new thread).
> Don't just dismiss her comments because she represents an origins
> perspective different than yours - take her challenge and criticisms
> seriously.
> Donald F. Calbreath, Ph.D
> Emeritus Associate Professor of Chemistry
> Whitworth College
> Spokane, WA
> ________________________________
> From: on behalf of David Opderbeck
> Sent: Thu 5/3/07 8:55 AM
> To: asa
> Subject: [asa] Another Nice Bashing Post from Denyse O'Leary
> See here:
> Sigh.

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