Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Thu Mar 29 2007 - 17:26:05 EDT

You can keep repeating it, but when the whole passage is about the Day of
the Lord coming like a thief, and how we are to live in light of that fact,
the theme of coming judgment is as obvious as the nose on your face.

On 3/29/07, George Murphy <> wrote:
> David -
> I can only repeat - & won't repeat again - that "judgment" is not the
> primary theme of II Peter 3:1-10, & that to say that the question is not
> about "the scope of the present judgment" is a red herring: It's not about
> judgment at all.
> Shalom
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Opderbeck <>
> *To:* George Murphy <>
> *Cc:* ASA list <>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?
> *I am simply pointing out the most basic point that the writer is making -
> that the promised end is an end for the whole present order of
> creation. OTOH, by trying to limit the scope of the destruction you are the
> one who is insisting on geographical details. *
> You may be misunderstanding me on one point: I am not suggesting any
> limitation on the scope of the final judgment. (To be even more clear, I'm
> amillennial, not a preterist). I agree that the final judgment is an end
> for the whole present order of creation. However, I disagree that the most
> basic point the writer is making in 2 Peter chapter 3 is about the scope of
> the final judgment. The most basic point in chapter 3 it is about the
> suddenness of the final judgment, not its scope. I think the context makes
> that abundantly clear. The universal scope of the final judgment, I think,
> isn't a matter of any particular proof-text, but rather is implicit in the
> broader themes of the apocalyptic literature. And regardless, like many
> other typologies in scripture, the use of the flood as a type of the final
> judgment doesn't imply that the scope and nature of the type is precisely
> the same as the scope and nature of that which it typifies.

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