Re: [asa] Positive Side of ID Behe PSCF Mar 2007

From: Randy Isaac <>
Date: Sun Mar 25 2007 - 16:51:26 EDT


    Owen Gingrich defined "id" as the more basic concept that God created
the universe and since we believe he is an intelligent personal God, we as
Christians believe in an intelligent designer. This wasn't dependent on the
fine-tuning argument or the anthropic argument or anything like that.

    When Behe and other ID advocates refer to "positive arguments" for ID,
they usually refer to patterns of information in the universe. They see a
signature of information transfer that is analogous to that transmitted by
intelligent beings. Such information exchange is argued to be positive
evidence of the action of an intelligent being.

    I have commented to them that in order to be truly a positive argument,
it would need to be distinct from a "negative" comment about evolution. That
is, show me a positive sign of the transmission of "personal" information in
nature which is not linked to a "failure of evolution to explain this." But
I haven't received a response.


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From: "Dave Wallace" <>
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Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: [asa] Positive Side of ID Behe PSCF Mar 2007

> In the response to Haarsma's article "Is ID Scientific" Behe complains
> that only the negative side of ID is dealt with and none of the positive
> arguments for ID are dealt with. Having read Johnston and Behe plus a few
> of Dembski's papers, I fail to see many positive arguments for ID. Am I
> missing something that I should read? Or is Behe talking about what we
> discussed on this list a while back and sometimes referred to as lower
> case id? As I recall 'id' referred to the fine tuning argument, God's
> nurturing of his creation and his sovereignty over what seem to us as
> chance events and many/some indicated they could agree with id defined
> that way.
> Dave W
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