Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Fri Mar 23 2007 - 11:14:25 EDT

Here, BTW, is another good article from a Catholic perspective showing how
Catholics are wrestling with the "who was Adam" question from a theological
and hermeneutical perspective:

And this Wiki summarizes some of the developments in Papal pronouncements:

On 3/23/07, Merv <> wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The counter-argument you raise below, that Noah's family could have
> > personally transmitted the practices across the time of the Flood --
> > that argument would work better for the metallurgists than for the
> > pastoral nomads or traveling bards. That is because only metallurgy
> > was a technology; the other two were primarily lifestyles that did not
> > require any new technology. It is possible, for example, that Shem
> > could have learned the technology of metallurgy and taught it to his
> > descedants. But it is hard to see how Shem could have kept the
> > "lifestyle" of the pastoral nomads or the traveling bards alive
> > and transmitted it to his descendants so that it re-started after the
> > Flood. Lifestyles are passed from generation-to-generation by living
> > that way, not by teaching facts.
> >
> > Regarding the timing of metallurgy, I must point out first that the
> > interpretation works best if you accept that Jabal, Jubal and
> > Tubal-Cain were probably not intended to be understood as literal
> > individuals. IMO it is too coincidental that three siblings would
> > invent such remarkable aspects of culture within a single generation.
> > As you correctly say, the timing is not correct since metallurgy began
> > around 6000 BC, a few thousand years earlier than pastoral nomadism
> > (which is believed to have begun with the Sahara's desertification
> > around 3000 BC). And it is too pat that the names Jabal, Jubal, and
> > Tubal-Cain all rhyme and happen to mean the exact things that they
> > invented. Likewise, it is too pat that all the other names in Cain's
> > geneology are distorted versions of the names in Seth's geneology.
> >
> Doesn't the Seth line also tell a story with their names? I can't
> remember the details, but I remember our Bible teacher at school
> speaking with some enthusiasm about how the names in Seth's line tell
> the story of the Savior to come -- as you alluded to elsewhere in your
> post. So doesn't this make Seth's line also a candidate for literary
> device in that it is "too pat"? A counter-argument would be that those
> names came to be associated with those meanings over time, but this
> seems weak also and would, in any case, preserve the literal aspects of
> both lines. Trying to separate those two genealogies with a literal
> and figurative dichotomy seems problematic from any angle.
> -Merv
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