Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

From: David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
Date: Wed Mar 21 2007 - 15:36:22 EDT

Why does Eve being the "mother of all the living" have to mean something
biological? If Abraham was the "father of many nations" (Gen. 17:4), can
everyone in all of those nations trace their biological ancestry directly
back exclusively to Abraham?

On 3/21/07, Charles Carrigan <CCarriga@olivet.edu> wrote:
>
> So "Mother of All the Living" really only meant "Mother of All of Us
> Israelites and a Few Offshoots Way Back When" ???
>
>
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> >>> "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@verizon.net> 3/21/2007 11:18 AM >>>
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> Eve was the mother, as Adam was the father of the Israelites for whom
> Genesis was written and to whom it was directed. We Christians are free to
> read their mail so to speak, but it was not written initially for us. It is
> this tendency we have to read ourselves into Jewish history that continues
> to get us into hermeneutical holes. As far back as I can go is one great
> grandfather named Pfizer (changed to "Fisher" at Ellis Island) who was a
> captain in the Prussian Army, or so I've been told. Who his wife was I have
> no idea. But the Israelites had the benefit of genealogical records that
> reached all the way back to their earliest ancestor Adam.
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>
>
> Dick Fischer
>
> Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
>
> Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
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> www.genesisproclaimed.org
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *George Murphy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:15 PM
> *To:* Bill Hamilton; asa@calvin.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?
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>
>
> How was Adam's wife "the mother of all living" (Gen.3:20) if Adam wasn't
> the father of all living?
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>
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* Gregory Arago <gregoryarago@yahoo.ca> ; asa@calvin.edu
>
> *Cc:* Glenn Morton <glennmorton@entouch.net>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:22 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?
>
>
>
> The ASA statement of faith references the historic Christian creeds, which
> don't, as far as I know, explicitly require a belief in Adam and Eve. So
> strictly speaking, I suppose you could be an ASA member without believing in
> Adam and Eve. Having said that, I will state that _I_ believe that there
> were specific persons Adam and Eve. In spite of the objections raised by
> Glenn, I like Dick Fischer's view that Adam lived in Mesopotamia about 7000
> years ago. For reference, the objections raised by Glenn include
>
> 1. Under Dick's scenario we are not all descended from Adam. Glenn sees
> that view as an excuse for racism. I don't, because of the many laws,
> commandments etc. given throughout Scripture detailing how we are to treat
> our fellow human beings
>
> 2. Under Dick's scenario it's difficult to understand how a flood
> approaching the description of Genesis could have occurred (in southern
> Mesopotamia). I admit this is a difficulty, but that doesn't justify
> throwing out Dick's scenario
>
>
>
> Bill Hamilton
> William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
> 248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
> "...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gregory Arago <gregoryarago@yahoo.ca>
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:49:07 AM
> Subject: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?
>
> It is well known that ASA once issued an unambiguous statement: *'We
> believe in creation!'* Would ASA be willing to follow that important,
> courageous clarification up with a further statement: *'We believe in Adam
> and Eve!'*? This is one of my main questions for all theistic
> evolutionists (TE's).
>
>
>
> G. Arago
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