Re: RE: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

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Date: Wed Mar 21 2007 - 13:58:01 EDT

It could be deeper than that. In Sumerian the word for "rib" and "life" is the same, "ti." There was a Sumerian pun on the words that went "The lady of the rib is the lady of life." And of course, Eve taken from Adam's rib (or side) was the mother of all living. Also keep in mind that "all" in Hebrew is not as inclusive as "all" in English. In Hebrew, it can mean simply all of a certain category of something. This is consistent with usage in the rest of the OT. "All the nations came to Epypt to buy corn," for example, and the Amalekite army was "abroad over all the earth," for another.


From: Charles Carrigan <>

So "Mother of All the Living" really only meant "Mother of All of Us Israelites and a Few Offshoots Way Back When"  ??? 

>>> "Dick Fischer" <> 3/21/2007 11:18 AM >>>

Eve was the mother, as Adam was the father of the Israelites for whom Genesis was written and to whom it was directed.  We Christians are free to read their mail so to speak, but it was not written initially for us.  It is this tendency we have to read ourselves into Jewish history that continues to get us into hermeneutical holes.  As far back as I can go is one great grandfather named Pfizer (changed to “Fisher” at Ellis Island) who was a captain in the Prussian Army, or so I’ve been told.  Who his wife was I have no idea.  But the Israelites had the benefit of genealogical records that reached all the way back to their earliest ancestor – Adam.
Dick Fischer
Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
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From: [] On Behalf Of George Murphy
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To: Bill Hamilton;
Subject: Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?
How was Adam's wife "the mother of all living" (Gen.3:20) if Adam wasn't the father of all living?
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From: Bill Hamilton
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Cc: Glenn Morton
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?
The ASA statement of faith references the historic Christian creeds, which don't, as far as I know, explicitly require a belief in Adam and Eve. So strictly speaking, I suppose you could be an ASA member without believing in Adam and Eve.  Having said that, I will state that _I_ believe that there were specific persons Adam and Eve. In spite of the objections raised by Glenn, I like Dick Fischer's view that Adam lived in Mesopotamia about 7000 years ago. For reference, the objections raised by Glenn include

1. Under Dick's scenario we are not all descended from Adam. Glenn sees that view as an excuse for racism. I don't, because of the many laws, commandments etc. given throughout Scripture detailing how we are to treat our fellow human beings

2. Under Dick's scenario it's difficult to understand how a flood approaching the description of Genesis could have occurred (in southern Mesopotamia). I admit this is a difficulty, but that doesn't justify throwing out Dick's scenario
Bill Hamilton
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From: Gregory Arago <>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:49:07 AM
Subject: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?
It is well known that ASA once issued an unambiguous statement: ‘We believe in creation!’ Would ASA be willing to follow that important, courageous clarification up with a further statement: ‘We believe in Adam and Eve!’? This is one of my main questions for all theistic evolutionists (TE's).
G. Arago
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