RE: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Wed Mar 21 2007 - 12:18:59 EDT

Eve was the mother, as Adam was the father of the Israelites for whom
Genesis was written and to whom it was directed. We Christians are free
to read their mail so to speak, but it was not written initially for us.
It is this tendency we have to read ourselves into Jewish history that
continues to get us into hermeneutical holes. As far back as I can go
is one great grandfather named Pfizer (changed to "Fisher" at Ellis
Island) who was a captain in the Prussian Army, or so I've been told.
Who his wife was I have no idea. But the Israelites had the benefit of
genealogical records that reached all the way back to their earliest
ancestor - Adam.


Dick Fischer

Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association

Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of George Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:15 PM
To: Bill Hamilton;
Subject: Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?


How was Adam's wife "the mother of all living" (Gen.3:20) if Adam wasn't
the father of all living?



----- Original Message -----

From: Bill <> Hamilton

To: Gregory Arago <> ;

Cc: Glenn <> Morton

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?


The ASA statement of faith references the historic Christian creeds,
which don't, as far as I know, explicitly require a belief in Adam and
Eve. So strictly speaking, I suppose you could be an ASA member without
believing in Adam and Eve. Having said that, I will state that _I_
believe that there were specific persons Adam and Eve. In spite of the
objections raised by Glenn, I like Dick Fischer's view that Adam lived
in Mesopotamia about 7000 years ago. For reference, the objections
raised by Glenn include

1. Under Dick's scenario we are not all descended from Adam. Glenn sees
that view as an excuse for racism. I don't, because of the many laws,
commandments etc. given throughout Scripture detailing how we are to
treat our fellow human beings

2. Under Dick's scenario it's difficult to understand how a flood
approaching the description of Genesis could have occurred (in southern
Mesopotamia). I admit this is a difficulty, but that doesn't justify
throwing out Dick's scenario


Bill Hamilton
William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
"...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31


----- Original Message ----
From: Gregory Arago <>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:49:07 AM
Subject: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

It is well known that ASA once issued an unambiguous statement: 'We
believe in creation!' Would ASA be willing to follow that important,
courageous clarification up with a further statement: 'We believe in
Adam and Eve!'? This is one of my main questions for all theistic
evolutionists (TE's).


G. Arago





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