Re: [asa] The empirical basis of knowledge

From: Iain Strachan <>
Date: Mon Mar 19 2007 - 07:39:48 EDT


What empirical basis is there in the decision to become a Christian? At the
end of the day, one may see evidence that pulls you in that direction, but
the crucial deciding factor was (I always understood) conviction by the Holy
Spirit. How do you measure that empirically? How do you measure a "leap of
faith" empirically?


On 3/19/07, Glenn Morton <> wrote:
> George tells me that I am single minded, focussing on observable
> verification. Others think that I am hopelessly concordistic. I answer
> that the above charges are hopelessly unphilosophical. Since I am leaving
> this list Tuesday morning (wish it were tomorrow), I will challenge people
> over the next 24 hours to name one thing which they KNOW to be true which
> does not have an empirical basis. Example.
> Person A loves person B. You can't see the 'love'.
> Answer, Not so, I only know it is true by seeing the things that A DOES
> for
> B. A cooks the dinner, cleans up the dishes, and cleans the house for B.
> If A said, "B, I love you" but did nothing, B would not feel, much less
> know
> of the love. It is like a person who says Go, be filled be warmed, but
> does
> not give the person food and clothing. I know of their care because I SEE
> them giving food and clothing.
> So, floor is open to challenges of this kind. I claimed that empirical
> data
> is all we have upon which to know things. Now is your chance to disprove
> that statement. And if you cant, then this will demonstrate the need for
> Biblical empirical verification.
> glenn
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> Adam, Apes and Anthropology
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