Addendum to: Re: [asa] Question for all the theistic evolutionists

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Sun Mar 18 2007 - 22:47:46 EDT

MessageSomething I forgot while wading through Glenn's post earlier -

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  From: Glenn Morton
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  Subject: RE: [asa] Question for all the theistic evolutionists

  George wrote:
>But in reality the Nicene Creed says a lot about creation, with statements about it in all 3 articles. (Creation is, after
>all, a trinitarian doctrine, which is why your understanding of it is so inadequate.) You might note in particular the
>statement about the Spirit as "the Lord, the giver of life" and the ways in Pannenberg & Ernie Simmons
>have developed from this some new & interesting ideas about pneumatology & its connection with the science-
>theology dialogue, thus refuting your claim about theologians not doing anything new about the doctrine of creation.

>But of course I see now that when you say "theologians" you mean "interpreters of Genesis 1-11. You have the
>most parochial notioneology I've ever encountered.

  You of course didn't get it right. Go back and re-read what I actually said. Responding to you taling about 2 creation accounts, ...

  Glenn tries to make it sound as if I introduced the creeds in a discussion of the 2 creation accounts. In fact it was when he suggested sarcastically that I wanted to set myself up as the authority on how theology is to be done ("What standards? Who set up these theological standards? George Murphy?" - Glenn Morton, 16 March 2007) that I replied that the ecumenical creeds might play some role in the evaluation of theological claims.

  To return to that original argument (which Glenn sidetracked), I judge his claims (stillborn mutant ape &c) by the criteria he wants to use - essentially trying to discuss theology as if it were natural science - and find them wanting. There is no inconsistency between doing that & saying that I want my theological arguments to be judged not in that way but by real theological standards, which include coherence between scientific knowledge of the world but cannot be limited to that. The creeds play an important role in theological judgments because, if nothing else, they keep us in touch with the wisdom of the Christian tradition & its reflection on issues - including creation but hardly restricted to that - with which it's had to wrestle. & they are hardly the property of George Murphy.

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