Re: [asa] Question for all the theistic evolutionists

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Fri Feb 23 2007 - 23:15:35 EST

I come at this from a different angle. My job is not to tackle the
atheists, but to keep people from becoming atheists in the first place.
As I see it, the warped interpretations given by YEC and OEC tend to
produce atheists and agnostics when folks look at the data, especially
paleontology and, now, genomics.

Just heard Denis Lamoureux, whose take on TE I like. He notes that the
noun is the most important element in a label, so TE puts the emphasis on
evolution rather than on the Creator and Sustainer. He prefers
evolutionary creationism. In a different context, I have suggested
"creation by secondary causes" as applying to all but the original
/creatio ex nihilo/, which produced the basis for secondary causation.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:10:57 -0600 "Glenn Morton"
<> writes:
> I won't be here long, but this is the best place to get a question
> answered.
> Many of you know that over the past 10 years, I have struggled with
> whether
> or not to become an atheist. I now am totally past that point
> having come
> out of the struggle with some really great arguments against
> atheism, which
> I have used on the internet successfully. But, in all this, I have
> thought
> about a YEC complaint against us TE's. And that is what my question
> is
> about.
> 1. Why is it that I so rarely see theistic evolutionists directly
> confronting atheists on the internet when they dis our religion?
> 2. Has anyone engaged in a direct internet debate on a forum against
> atheism
> or against an atheist? (if so, where is it?)
> 3. are we really, as my friend Wil Provine suggests, merely
> practical
> atheists? (a people whose religion makes no real difference to the
> intellectual climate of society?)
> 3a alternatively, are we merely the lapdogs of the atheists, who use
> us, as
> Phil Johnson suggests, but who don't respect us (I guess are we a
> one night
> stand for the atheists pleasure?)
> I will not debate, I am interested in the responses.
> glenn
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