Re: [asa] Level of certainty in science

From: Rich Blinne <>
Date: Tue Feb 06 2007 - 17:11:04 EST

On 2/6/07, Janice Matchett <> wrote:
> At 12:40 PM 2/6/2007, PIM wrote:
> I now realize that there is not just the global warming myth but that people are also under false impressions about DDT and Ozone. .." ~ Pim
> @
> The Union of Concerned Scientists has an excellent Ozone FAQ ..." ~ Pim
> @ I'll bet they do. :)
> Comment # 38 : The "Union of Concerned Scientists" org is a FRAUD.
> Of all their 'experts', NOT ONE has any degree even CLOSE to what would qualify them as experts on climate. ...they aren't even 'scientists'.

Please do some heavy research (e.g. clicking on the link Pim gave)
before shooting from the lip again and also please quote complete
sentences. The actual sentence Pim gave was:

> The Union of Concerned Scientists has an excellent Ozone FAQ, but for
> those suspicious of concerned scientists, there are many easy
> accesible resources on the internet.

Obviously, you are suspicious. So, then you would then follow the following:

> The best FAQ is the one by Robert Parson and is known as the usenet
> Ozone depletion FAQ.

The FAQ is written by Robert Parson who is professor of Chemistry and
Biochemistry at the University of Colorado. He is also a fellow of

JILA is one of the nation's leading research institutes in the
physical sciences. A joint institute of the University of Colorado and
the National Institute of Standards and Technology, JILA is located on
the CU campus. JILA's NIST members hold adjoint faculty appointments
at CU.

Here's his home page.

> Comment # 38 : The "Union of Concerned Scientists" org is a FRAUD.
> Of all their 'experts', NOT ONE has any degree even CLOSE to what would qualify them as experts on climate. ...they aren't even 'scientists'.

BTW, you are wrong that they are not scientists at UCS. [Note: Yes, I
know that quote is not you. But if you are just going to blindly cut
and paste from Free Republic without attribution I am going to treat
them as your quotes.] The following is CV of the climate experts at
UCS. It took me five minutes of Googling. Google is your friend. Use
it. Also note, the comment above applies to you and the sources you
have been quoting who are either not scientists or if they are, are
not climate scientists. So are you a fraud?

Brenda Ekwurzel
Climate Scientist
Global Environment Program
Washington, DC
Brenda Ekwurzel works on the national climate program at the Union of
Concerned Scientists (UCS). She is leading UCS's climate science
education work aimed at strengthening support for strong federal
climate legislation and sound U.S. climate policies.

Brenda Ekwurzel is an assistant professor in both Geosciences and
Hydrology & Water Resources. Before joining the UA in fall 2000, she
did postdoctoral research at the Lawrence Livermore National

Dr. Ekwurzel's primary research interests are to develop new
approaches to study hydrologic problems using tracers (e.g. 2H, 3H,
18O, and noble gases). These tracers can define residence time,
circulation paths, quantify mixing, and identify source waters
important for both hydrologic and oceanographic applications. Her
research has focused on the freshwater cycle in the Arctic Ocean, its
links with the North Atlantic Oscillation and the Arctic Oscillation,
and possible affects on North Atlantic Deep Water formation.

Dr. Ekwurzel's current research in hydrology involves water and gas
phase transport through the vadose zone and introduction of noble gas
isotopes into recharge water to track its mixing into a groundwater
basin. Increased salinization of arid coastal aquifers of the western
United States and Africa are part of her current research. The ability
to identify sources of salinity and to quantify major contributions to
salinization will help with decisions regarding remediation and long
term management of the salt budget of these regions. Future focus will
be on arid zone hydrology and the need to understand recharge rates,
locations for recharge as well as the residence time of arid zone

Peter Frumhoff
Director of Science & Policy and Chief Scientist, Climate Campaign
Executive Program
Cambridge, MA
Peter Frumhoff is Director of Science & Policy and Chief Scientist,
Climate Campaign, at UCS. A global change ecologist, he has published
and lectured widely on topics that include climate change impacts,
climate science and policy, tropical forest conservation and
management, and biological diversity.

Peter C. Frumhoff is Director and Senior Scientist of the Global
Environment Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS). He
leads a multidisciplinary effort to bring scientific expertise to bear
on U.S. and international policy decisions affecting global
environmental change. Under his guidance, the UCS Sound Science
Initiative currently helps more than 3000 scientists across the US
raise public and policymaker understanding of the scientific basis for
effective solutions to the problems of climate change, the spread of
invasive species, and land-use change.

Prior to joining UCS, Dr. Frumhoff taught at Harvard University and
the University of Maryland, and served as a Science and Diplomacy
Fellow at the US Agency for International Development. An evolutionary
ecologist and conservation biologist, he has published widely on
topics that include the conservation of biodiversity in tropical
forests managed for timber; the scientific and policy linkages between
measures to protect forests and slow climate change; the evolution of
cooperation and competition within insect societies; and the
behavioral biology of marine mammals. He has conducted basic and
applied field work in Costa Rica, Guatemala, Bolivia, Ecuador, Rwanda
and Uganda, led seminars on environment and ethics at the Aspen
Institute, and led several Costa Rica-based field courses for US
policymakers on conservation and development with the Organization for
Tropical Studies.

Dr. Frumhoff was a lead author of the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change's recent Special Report on the role of forests and
land-use in mitigating climate change, assessing the potential for
forest-based climate mitigation projects to provide biodiversity and
sustainable development cobenefits. He is an Adjunct Professor at the
Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, where he
teaches graduate courses on biodiversity science and policy. He has a
Ph.D in Ecology an M.A. in Zoology from the University of California,
Davis and a B.A. in Psychology from the University of California, San

Amy Luers
California Climate Manager
Global Environment Program
Berkeley, CA
Amy Luers is an environmental scientist in the Global Environmental
Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS). She manages UCS's
California climate change impacts work.

Amy Luers, PhD
CESP Postdoctoral Research Fellow (Former)
(650) 725-9099 (phone)
Stanford University
Encina Hall East, E501
Stanford, CA 94305-6055

Vulneraiblity and Resilience of Human-Environmental Systems, Human
Dimensions of Global Change, Aquaculture, Watershed Science

Sustainability in the Yaqui Valley:


A case study of land reform and coastal land transformation in
southern Sonora, Mexico
Amy Luers, Rosamond Naylor, Pamela Matson
Land Use Policy vol. 23 (2006)

Method for quantifying vulnerability, applied to the agricutlural
system of the Yaqui Valley, Mexico, A
Amy Luers, David B. Lobell, Leonard S. Sklar, C. Lee Addams, Pamela A. Matson
Global Environmental Change vol. 13 (2003)

Illustrating the coupled human-environment system for vulnerability
analysis: Three case studies
B.L. Turner II, Pamela A. Matson, James J. McCarthy, Robert W. Corell,
Lindsey Christensen, Noelle Eckley, Grete K. Hovelsrud-Broda, Jeanne
X. Kasperson, Roger E. Kasperson, Amy Luers, Marybeth L. Martello,
Svein Mathiesen, Rosamond L. Naylor, Colin Polsky, Alexander
Pulsipher, Andrew Schiller, Henrik Selin, Nicholas Tyler
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences vol. 100, 14 (2003)

Framework for vulnerability analysis in sustainability science, A
B.L. Turner II, Roger E. Kasperson, Pamela A. Matson, James J.
McCarthy, Robert W. Corell, Lindsey Christensen, Noelle Eckley, Jeanne
X. Kasperson, Amy Luers, Marybeth L. Martello, Colin Polsky, Alexander
Pulsipher, Andrew Schiller
PNAS vol. 100 (2003)

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