Re: [asa] Why the opposition to global warming

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Sat Feb 03 2007 - 21:37:25 EST

1st, the assumption that "the conservative movement" as a whole is
"socialist, pantheistic and oppressive" is an overstatement at best.

2d, it's always seemed strange to me that so many "conservatives" are
opposed to, or are at best lukewarm about, "conservation." I recall this
point being made back around the beginnings of the environmental movement,
~1970, by James Buckley - Bill's brother - who had just been elected to the
U.S. Senate from New York on the Conservative ticket (if you need any bona


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <>
To: "David Opderbeck" <>; <>
Cc: "Randy Isaac" <>; <>; "Andy Bootsma"
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Why the opposition to global warming

I agree with David. The scientists who are convinced that global warming is
serious problem (and I agree with David that it is a problem) need to
themselves from the environmental movement, who have turned conservatives
with their socialist, pantheistic and oppressive government ways. If they
do that perhaps some intelligent discussion can take place, which will lead
real solutions.

--- David Opderbeck <> wrote:

> We've discussed this before, but I think you need to understand the
> context
> of the environmental movement to answer this question. The environmental
> movement has made many doomsday predictions that have failed to
> materialize,
> the most notorious involving population control. Coupled with those
> predictions, some leaders in the environmental movement have operated from
> a
> neo-pantheistic worldview and have made suggestions that smack of
> totalitarianism -- again, population control being the most notorious
> example. And, as to warming in particular, the most prominent policy
> proposal, the Kyoto treaty, represents a massively costly global
> regulatory
> regime that impinges on state sovereignty and voter oversight -- thereby
> weakining some basic building blocks of democratic governance.
> So, among conservatives of any stripe -- not just fundamentalist religious
> conservatives, but also more serious economic and libertarian
> conservatives
> -- there is a deep suspicion of *any *suggestion that the world is facing
> an
> immanent, massive crisis that can be addressed only through world-wide
> regulation. Personally, I think at least some of that skepticism is a good
> thing, even if (as I believe) there is a very real problem that needs to
> be
> addressed in global warming. We need to find ways to address this problem
> without sacrificing freedom and liberty, and the libertarian skeptical
> voices at least remind us of that.
> On 2/3/07, Dave Wallace <> wrote:
> >
> > On your blog, Randy you ask "Why the opposition to global warming".
> > Late yesterday and again this morning the online version of the National
> > Post leads off with the headline
> >
> > The real deal?
> > Against the grain: Some scientists deny global warming exists.
> >
> > With the experts on climate change weighing in, the Post talks to
> > scientists who go against conventional...
> >
> > Further down they have:
> > # Global warming likely caused by humans
> > # Video: Suzuki reacts to climate report
> >
> >
> >
> > The National IMHO is Canada's best paper which is not saying a lot. We
> > used to have much better news papers, however, they have gone down hill
> > in the last ten to twenty years. Too many do not seem to be able to
> > tell the difference between news and editorials.
> >
> > The ten part series they write starts out at:
> >
> >
> >
> > If people read just the headlines let alone some of the lead articles
> > and the above series it appears that climate warming is not well
> > supported, at least the human causation factor. David Suzuki might
> > convince people otherwise, however, some people will say that if Suzuki
> > thinks global warming is real then it must be at best marginal or even a
> > hoax. IMHO he has cried wulf too many times.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
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