Re: [asa] Moral law - Francis Collins

From: PvM <pvm.pandas@gmail.com>
Date: Sun Dec 31 2006 - 14:03:07 EST

Exactly why I see this passage as reconciling the evolutionary nature
of morality and moral law.

On 12/31/06, Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 12/31/06, Dick Fischer <dickfischer@verizon.net> wrote:
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> > Hi Johan:
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> > Although a renowned expert on DNA, Collins is probably off the mark on
> this issue as was Lewis before him. What is being referred to as "moral
> law" is likely our innate sense of fairness. We seem to know if we have
> been treated unfairly in any instance. And Lord knows there is no fairness
> in life. Doing either good or bad in any instance is more likely rooted (as
> it is in animals) in learned behavior. Okay, de Waal goofs on this too.
> Reward an animal with food and it learns whatever system of "morals" you
> want to instill in it. Amazon headhunters learned it was okay to shrink
> human heads. Thus our morals are learned from our rewards and punishments
> more likely than from any innate or God-given sense of right and wrong.
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> > The "moral law" is simply, do what God says to do. And God didn't speak
> to mankind until he decided to speak to Adam about 7,000 years ago. Do what
> I tell you Adam, or in the biblical example, don't do what I tell you not to
> do. That's the moral law. Do it God's way not the way that seems right
> to you at the time through whatever value system you may have acquired
> through learning or experience, or even what may be a "gut feeling." Your
> inborn senses are unreliable as moral compasses. That's why God gave us a
> Bible and didn't leave it up to any inborn sense of right and wrong.
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> What you say would appear to be contradicted by Romans 2:14-15
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> 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things
> required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not
> have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written
> on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts
> now accusing, now even defending them.)
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> which as I see it implies that the requirements of the law are written on
> the hearts even of those who do not have the law.
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> I'm having a problem squaring that with what you say about God giving us a
> Bible and not leaving it up to an inborn sense of right and wrong.
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> Iain
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