RE: [asa] Moral law - Francis Collins

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Sun Dec 31 2006 - 12:22:16 EST

Hi Johan:


Although a renowned expert on DNA, Collins is probably off the mark on
this issue as was Lewis before him. What is being referred to as "moral
law" is likely our innate sense of fairness. We seem to know if we have
been treated unfairly in any instance. And Lord knows there is no
fairness in life. Doing either good or bad in any instance is more
likely rooted (as it is in animals) in learned behavior. Okay, de Waal
goofs on this too. Reward an animal with food and it learns whatever
system of "morals" you want to instill in it. Amazon headhunters
learned it was okay to shrink human heads. Thus our morals are learned
from our rewards and punishments more likely than from any innate or
God-given sense of right and wrong.


The "moral law" is simply, do what God says to do. And God didn't speak
to mankind until he decided to speak to Adam about 7,000 years ago. Do
what I tell you Adam, or in the biblical example, don't do what I tell
you not to do. That's the moral law. Do it God's way - not the way
that seems right to you at the time through whatever value system you
may have acquired through learning or experience, or even what may be a
"gut feeling." Your inborn senses are unreliable as moral compasses.
That's why God gave us a Bible and didn't leave it up to any inborn
sense of right and wrong.


Dick Fischer

Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association

Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History



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Behalf Of Johan Jammart
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: [asa] Moral law - Francis Collins


I have read an other review by Korthof of Francis Collins book "The
Language of God" (
<> )

Korthof critique the argument of the moral law, claiming that some
animals (especialy chimps) have altruism and kindness in their
behaviour, that altruism and kindness can be explain by evolution, that
morality have evolved. He also state:"The other unique human properties
awareness of right and wrong, language, self-awareness and the ability
to imagine the future (Collins page 23) are found also in animals."
Korthof cite and refer amply to the books of Frans de Waal. Frans de
Waal seems to found a lot of parallel between behavior of human and
chimps (an other example: the capacity of forgiveness and peace making
of the chimps).

What are your opinions on this? Have science disprove the argument of
moral law? Have morality evolved? Are human the not the only specie
capable of awareness of right and wrong, self-awareness, forgiveness,
peacemaking and the ability to imagine the future? Do you have have ever
heard about Frans de Waal?

Thanks in advance for your insight.



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