Re: [asa] Earth's crust, Earth's atmosphere and Creation

From: George Murphy <gmurphy@raex.com>
Date: Fri Dec 29 2006 - 16:42:06 EST

No, all I meant there was that in the Incarnation the Son of God became
subject to the same physical dangers that confront other human beings. I
wanted to make some contact with the broader issue of theodicy but not
engage it in detail.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>; "Jammart Johan"
<j_jammart@yahoo.fr>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Earth's crust, Earth's atmosphere and Creation

I am rather confused George with your last paragraph. I thought the danger
for God Himself (Jesus the Christ) and what actually put Him to death was
the sin in men. Had there been no sin there would be no death for Jesus. Are
you implying that the appearance of sin is directly connected to bringing
"forth living things via natural processes with divine cooperation?"

Moorad

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of George Murphy
Sent: Fri 12/29/2006 1:04 PM
To: Jammart Johan; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Earth's crust, Earth's atmosphere and Creation

An interesting question. However, the statement "A universe fine-tuned for
life should not contain poison" is a non sequitur. All being "fine-tuned
for life" requires is that conditions be appropriate for the development of
life, not that there be no threats to living things. After all, their are
plenty of threats to physical life implied by gravitation, electrodynamics
&c, all of which are basic to the development of life: The fact that living
things can get killed by falling off cliffs or by lightning isn't an
argument against fine tuning.

The existence of heavy elements is probably a necessary consequence of the
same fine tuning that allows life to develop in the 1st place. If you're
going to have life, you have to not only make C-12 in stars (requiring the
proper "tuning" of strong & E-M forces) but also get the carbon into
interstellar space so it can be part of the next generation of stars. That
happens in supernova explosions, & another result of such explosions is the
formation of heavy elements as nuclei are subjected to a high flux of
neutrons. (& this means, I think, not only that there will be Hg, Os &
other heavy metals which are potential chemical poisons, but that there will
be radioactive elements & the stuff that nuclear weapons can be made from.)

Apparently God created a universe with sufficient integrity to bring forth
living things via natural processes with divine cooperation, in full
awareness that such a universe would in many ways be a dangerous place. &
that means that it would also be a dangerous place for God himself when he
became incarnate.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

----- Original Message -----
From: Jammart Johan <mailto:j_jammart@yahoo.fr>
To: asa@calvin.edu
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:29 PM
Subject: [asa] Earth's crust, Earth's atmosphere and Creation

I have read a review (by Korthof) of Michael Denton book "Nature's Destiny"
. I would like your advice on two quotes:

"Osmium-oxide is the most poisonous substance on Earth. Concentrations in
the air of more than 2 parts per 10 billion (=1010) parts cause blindness,
lung- and kidney damage. This is an extreme low concentration. So it is
extremely effective. Conclusion: Osmium-oxide is uniquely fit for killing
humans. In other words: Osmium-oxide gives every appearance of having been
specially designed for damaging human life. Or is it just a coincidence...?
"

"John Emsley (2005) The Elements of Murder: A History of Poison points out
that heavy metals which are natural constituents of the Earth's crust like
mercury, arsenic, lead, antimony and thallium are elements that are toxic
enough to cause human death. (Nature, 11 Aug 2005). A universe fine-tuned
for life should not contain poison."

How to conciliate those two quotes with the notion of the Creator? My my
interest is theology, but I'm interested with science when it deal with the
Creation. I would like to have your advices on this ( P.S.: I believe in
theistic evolution).

Many thank in advance for your help!

Blessings,

Johan

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