Re: [asa] Re: [christians_in_science] Happy Christmas Richard

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Sat Dec 23 2006 - 18:35:00 EST

Iain -

This is marvelous. Thanks.

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  From: Iain Strachan
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  Subject: [asa] Re: [christians_in_science] Happy Christmas Richard

  Before we all get into an "I hate Richard Dawkins" mood, I just thought I'd post (slightly off-topic I guess) a Christmas poem I ran into the other day on the Blog site of Maggi Dawn, the chaplain of Robinson College, Cambridge. The poem is by Luci Shaw, and is called "Mary's song". I felt it told the traditional story in a fresh, new way, that was quite breathtaking. (Esecially the line "nailed/to my poor planet").

  Merry Christmas to everyone on the list!

  mary's song
  Blue homespun and the bend of my breast
  keep warm this small hot naked star
  fallen to my arms. (Rest
  you who have had so far to come.)
  Now nearness satisfies
  the body of God sweetly. Quiet he lies
  whose vigor hurled a universe. He sleeps
  whose eyelids have not closed before.
  His breath (so slight it seems
  no breath at all) once ruffled the dark deeps
  to sprout a world. Charmed by doves' voices,
  the whisper of straw, he dreams,
  hearing no music from his other spheres.
  Breath, mouth, ears, eyes
  he is curtailed who overflowed all skies,
  all years. Older than eternity, now he
  is new. Now native to earth as I am, nailed
  to my poor planet, caught
  that I might be free, blind in my womb
  to know my darkness ended,
  brought to this birth for me to be new-born,
  and for him to see me mended
  I must see him torn.

  Luci Shaw

  On 12/23/06, Hans de Nijs <> wrote:
    Dawkins writes ' So, understanding full well that the
    phrase retains zero religious significance, I
    unhesitatingly wish everyone a Merry Christmas."

    What a hypocrite! Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas!

    He no more believes that Jesus is his Lord and Saviour
    than a Jew!

    --- Michael Roberts <>


> The God Delusion
> One of the best-selling non-fiction books at present
> is Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion. This is a no
> holds barred attack on all religion as he regards
> any belief in God as irrational, and contrary to any
> evidence. He can find fault with religion by
> focussing on the extremes and sees 9/11 as the
> logical outworking of religion. However, despite
> being a scientist and claiming to be guided by
> evidence, he seems incapable of portraying any
> religion with any accuracy. He bleats on with a
> mantra that "faith is contrary to reason" and simply
> ignores the many thinking people over the last 2000
> years who have applied reason to their faith,
> whether Christian, Jewish or Muslim. In his zeal to
> show that Christians are wrong and cannot be
> scientists he simply ignores the number of science
> professors who are Christian - and have done more
> scientific research than he. His book will sell as
> this is what many of the so-called educated want to
> hear and he does write extremely well.
> The God Illusion
> Against Dawkins we could mention the 75% or so of
> the British population who say they believe in God,
> but many have an illusory belief in God. So often
> this "god" is so attenuated that it is not a god at
> all, as it seems to be a god who is not the Creator,
> can't do miracles, doesn't listen to prayer. Of
> course, the advantage of this is that you need no
> commitment to believe in a god like this and hence
> you can behave just how you like and not bother with
> worship. (But, of course, the church building is
> nice for Baptisms, Weddings and Funerals and is part
> of our heritage.)
> The God Allusion
> As we come into the so-called festive season of
> Christmas we will come across many allusions to God
> and to Jesus, where any religious meaning is
> studiously avoided; singing the banal "We wish you a
> happy Christmas" as if that is sufficient reference
> to the birth of Jesus; carols crooned and mangled in
> shops; Santa Claus and nothing else on stamps;
> reindeer and donkeys taking centre stage; platitudes
> that Christmas is for the children and a time for
> giving and receiving as if that were the meaning of
> Christmas.
> Give me Winterval any day!!
> The God Incarnate
> Now we come to the one thing that does matter,
> whether at Christmas or every day of the year, and
> that is God Incarnate. God Incarnate is God made
> flesh or human in the person of Jesus Christ. And so
> Christmas is to celebrate the birth of God Incarnate
> and is meaningless without that. I will ignore
> fairy-story versions of the birth of Jesus, which
> emphasise the trivia, whether donkeys or anything
> else. The important thing about Christmas is simply
> God became a human being to save and redeem the
> whole of mankind. That is the message of the New
> Testament and of all Christmas Carols. Just consider
> the Christmas readings from the beginning of the
> Gospels of Matthew and Luke and the words of any
> standard Christmas carol.
> So as we come to Christmas let's make sure that we
> focus on the one important thing the birth of Jesus
> Christ, God Incarnate
> I wish everyone a good Christmas and that all of us
> draw closer to Christ
> Michael Roberts
> From my church magazine

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