Re: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Thu Dec 21 2006 - 14:50:32 EST

Denyse's description of Collins as "an intellectual lightweight" would much
better be applied to herself. She knows little about either science or
theology, as even a superficial reading of her piece of ID fanmail, _By
Design or Chance_ shows. (My review of the book - which could legitimately
have been harsher than it was - is in the Sept. '05 PSCF.) Her statement
near the end of that book, that "Christian evolutionists" "must be content
with a God who is /not/ there, except as an emotional understanding" makes
it clear that she has made no attempt at all to understand the views of
Christians who accept evolution. Apparently "You shall not bear false
witness" isn't part of her version of Christianity.

There's also no reason to think that she knows anything about the ASA, even
though she has exploited the courtesy of the organization by using this list
to promote her notions.

----- Original Message -----
From: "PvM" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

> Denyse O'Leary, has written a poorly reasoned posting on UcD. While it
> is mostly based on her flawed understanding of Darwinism, it does have
> something of interest to ASA
> -------Begin Quote---------
> Why Christianity? Why not Islam? Well, for one thing, Muslims tend to
> actually respond to this kind of thing. Christians don't. There is an
> organization of Christians in science in the United States called
> American Scientific Affiliation, with about 2000 members, but they
> seem dedicated to ignoring these obvious affronts, and claiming to an
> increasingly restless public that there is no conflict between
> Darwinism and the traditional religions. Indeed, they have so far
> managed to ignore the fact that increasingly strident Darwinists claim
> that there is indeed such a conflict.
> I suspect that the key boffins at ASA would be inclined to blame those
> who openly question Darwinism for "causing" the atheist outbursts. In
> much the same way, under Marxist regimes, the churches that went along
> with Marxism used to blame traditional Christians who refused to do
> so, for bringing upon themselves the persecution they suffered at the
> hands of Marxists.
> Right now, the ASA is making much of genome mapper Francis Collins,
> whom I regard as an intellectual lightweight. I tried to say that in
> as nice a way as possible in my recent review of his book because he
> sounds like a really nice guy. If nice is all you need, he's your man.
> -------End Quote-------
> Let's just correct Denyse's obvious misconception that there is a
> conflict between Darwinism and traditional religions.
> Denyse, science and religion are traditionally not in conflict with
> eachother, unless one goes beyond the concept of science.
> Until Denyse familiarize herself with Darwinism, I can see why she may
> perceive that there is a conflict between science and her faith. An
> intellectual lightweight indeed.... Blame others but fail to take
> responsibility for her own ignorance about Darwinism.
> Sadly, intelligent design seems to be getting more and more extreme
> now that its foundations are crumbling. This is not good for science
> and quite detrimental to religious faith.
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