Re: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

From: Michael Roberts <>
Date: Thu Dec 21 2006 - 14:12:28 EST

If this is OK may I, as a Christian, commit adultery?

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Sarah Berel-Harrop
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

  I notice part of the essay centers on a "quote" from Douglas Futuyama's Evolutionary
  Biology (3rd Edition). I have the book. It never ceases to amaze me, the Discovery
  Institute's (and their supporters) standards. Basically, they excised words, phrases,
  and sentences, without ellipsis, and present it as a quote. And the first sentence is
  a paraphrase. It's just wrong, dishonest in my view. They have clearly picked up the
  book, because most of the "quote" comes from the book.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: PvM
    Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM
    Subject: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

    Denyse O'Leary, has written a poorly reasoned posting on UcD. While it
    is mostly based on her flawed understanding of Darwinism, it does have
    something of interest to ASA

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    Why Christianity? Why not Islam? Well, for one thing, Muslims tend to
    actually respond to this kind of thing. Christians don't. There is an
    organization of Christians in science in the United States called
    American Scientific Affiliation, with about 2000 members, but they
    seem dedicated to ignoring these obvious affronts, and claiming to an
    increasingly restless public that there is no conflict between
    Darwinism and the traditional religions. Indeed, they have so far
    managed to ignore the fact that increasingly strident Darwinists claim
    that there is indeed such a conflict.

    I suspect that the key boffins at ASA would be inclined to blame those
    who openly question Darwinism for "causing" the atheist outbursts. In
    much the same way, under Marxist regimes, the churches that went along
    with Marxism used to blame traditional Christians who refused to do
    so, for bringing upon themselves the persecution they suffered at the
    hands of Marxists.

    Right now, the ASA is making much of genome mapper Francis Collins,
    whom I regard as an intellectual lightweight. I tried to say that in
    as nice a way as possible in my recent review of his book because he
    sounds like a really nice guy. If nice is all you need, he's your man.

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    Let's just correct Denyse's obvious misconception that there is a
    conflict between Darwinism and traditional religions.
    Denyse, science and religion are traditionally not in conflict with
    eachother, unless one goes beyond the concept of science.
    Until Denyse familiarize herself with Darwinism, I can see why she may
    perceive that there is a conflict between science and her faith. An
    intellectual lightweight indeed.... Blame others but fail to take
    responsibility for her own ignorance about Darwinism.

    Sadly, intelligent design seems to be getting more and more extreme
    now that its foundations are crumbling. This is not good for science
    and quite detrimental to religious faith.

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