Re: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Thu Dec 21 2006 - 13:39:00 EST

Some of her broader points in that post, however, are well taken. Atheists
tend to attack Christianity first and foremost rather than other theistic
religions, such as Islam or Judaism; this seems odd, as Christians by and
large would not deny an atheist's freedom to believe in atheism, while in
many countries subject to radical Islamicism, atheists are subject to
summary execution. She is also right that the contemporary atheist movement
tends to accept Darwinism as an all-embracing world view. What she doesn't
express, however, is the spiritual dimension of this dynamic. Isn't it like
the enemy to take twist everything against Christ and his church?

What I really want to know, though, is who the ASA "boffins" are.
seem to be the right word here. I think
patsy <> or
shill<>is closer to the intended
meaning, though maybe
puffin <> was intended, in which
case some obscure point about common descent was being made that flew over
my head.

On 12/21/06, Sarah Berel-Harrop <> wrote:
> I notice part of the essay centers on a "quote" from Douglas Futuyama's
> Evolutionary
> Biology (3rd Edition). I have the book. It never ceases to amaze me, the
> Discovery
> Institute's (and their supporters) standards. Basically, they excised
> words, phrases,
> and sentences, without ellipsis, and present it as a quote. And the first
> sentence is
> a paraphrase. It's just wrong, dishonest in my view. They have clearly
> picked up the
> book, because most of the "quote" comes from the book.
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* PvM <>
> *To:*
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM
> *Subject:* [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism
> Denyse O'Leary, has written a poorly reasoned posting on UcD. While it
> is mostly based on her flawed understanding of Darwinism, it does have
> something of interest to ASA
> -------Begin Quote---------
> Why Christianity? Why not Islam? Well, for one thing, Muslims tend to
> actually respond to this kind of thing. Christians don't. There is an
> organization of Christians in science in the United States called
> American Scientific Affiliation, with about 2000 members, but they
> seem dedicated to ignoring these obvious affronts, and claiming to an
> increasingly restless public that there is no conflict between
> Darwinism and the traditional religions. Indeed, they have so far
> managed to ignore the fact that increasingly strident Darwinists claim
> that there is indeed such a conflict.
> I suspect that the key boffins at ASA would be inclined to blame those
> who openly question Darwinism for "causing" the atheist outbursts. In
> much the same way, under Marxist regimes, the churches that went along
> with Marxism used to blame traditional Christians who refused to do
> so, for bringing upon themselves the persecution they suffered at the
> hands of Marxists.
> Right now, the ASA is making much of genome mapper Francis Collins,
> whom I regard as an intellectual lightweight. I tried to say that in
> as nice a way as possible in my recent review of his book because he
> sounds like a really nice guy. If nice is all you need, he's your man.
> -------End Quote-------
> Let's just correct Denyse's obvious misconception that there is a
> conflict between Darwinism and traditional religions.
> Denyse, science and religion are traditionally not in conflict with
> eachother, unless one goes beyond the concept of science.
> Until Denyse familiarize herself with Darwinism, I can see why she may
> perceive that there is a conflict between science and her faith. An
> intellectual lightweight indeed.... Blame others but fail to take
> responsibility for her own ignorance about Darwinism.
> Sadly, intelligent design seems to be getting more and more extreme
> now that its foundations are crumbling. This is not good for science
> and quite detrimental to religious faith.
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