Re: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

From: Sarah Berel-Harrop <>
Date: Thu Dec 21 2006 - 13:03:34 EST

I notice part of the essay centers on a "quote" from Douglas Futuyama's Evolutionary
Biology (3rd Edition). I have the book. It never ceases to amaze me, the Discovery
Institute's (and their supporters) standards. Basically, they excised words, phrases,
and sentences, without ellipsis, and present it as a quote. And the first sentence is
a paraphrase. It's just wrong, dishonest in my view. They have clearly picked up the
book, because most of the "quote" comes from the book.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: PvM
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM
  Subject: [asa] Denyse O'Leary and Darwinism

  Denyse O'Leary, has written a poorly reasoned posting on UcD. While it
  is mostly based on her flawed understanding of Darwinism, it does have
  something of interest to ASA

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  Why Christianity? Why not Islam? Well, for one thing, Muslims tend to
  actually respond to this kind of thing. Christians don't. There is an
  organization of Christians in science in the United States called
  American Scientific Affiliation, with about 2000 members, but they
  seem dedicated to ignoring these obvious affronts, and claiming to an
  increasingly restless public that there is no conflict between
  Darwinism and the traditional religions. Indeed, they have so far
  managed to ignore the fact that increasingly strident Darwinists claim
  that there is indeed such a conflict.

  I suspect that the key boffins at ASA would be inclined to blame those
  who openly question Darwinism for "causing" the atheist outbursts. In
  much the same way, under Marxist regimes, the churches that went along
  with Marxism used to blame traditional Christians who refused to do
  so, for bringing upon themselves the persecution they suffered at the
  hands of Marxists.

  Right now, the ASA is making much of genome mapper Francis Collins,
  whom I regard as an intellectual lightweight. I tried to say that in
  as nice a way as possible in my recent review of his book because he
  sounds like a really nice guy. If nice is all you need, he's your man.

  -------End Quote-------

  Let's just correct Denyse's obvious misconception that there is a
  conflict between Darwinism and traditional religions.
  Denyse, science and religion are traditionally not in conflict with
  eachother, unless one goes beyond the concept of science.
  Until Denyse familiarize herself with Darwinism, I can see why she may
  perceive that there is a conflict between science and her faith. An
  intellectual lightweight indeed.... Blame others but fail to take
  responsibility for her own ignorance about Darwinism.

  Sadly, intelligent design seems to be getting more and more extreme
  now that its foundations are crumbling. This is not good for science
  and quite detrimental to religious faith.

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