Re: Fwd: [asa] The Swift-Boating of Judge Jones

From: Robert Schneider <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri Dec 15 2006 - 11:51:02 EST

Regarding my recycling my materials, I am not referring to science papers
published in journals, etc., but papers, lectures, publications in religion
and science, like the many the Polkinghorne has published for a broader
general audience.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "PvM" <pvm.pandas@gmail.com>
To: "Robert Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
Cc: "Bill Hamilton" <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [asa] The Swift-Boating of Judge Jones

> Interesting, in science most of these practices seem to be frowned
> upon. Perhaps biology and other 'hard' sciences have different views
> on this.
> But the issues is ironic for several reasons
>
> 1. ID complaints about plagiarism when it comes to Judge Jones but
> seems to be quite happy with similar practices from its own members.
> 2. ID is using these practices to quote similar 'papers' as
> independent ones and thus add to the minimal count of ID relevant
> papers.
> 3. In science, publishing the same work in more than one arena is
> frowned upon, especially if the paper does not improve over time,
> despite significant criticsms.
>
> On 12/14/06, Robert Schneider <rjschn39@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> I recycle stuff I've written before. I have John Polkinghorne as a guide
>> for
>> this practice.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Hamilton" <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com>
>> To: "Janice Matchett" <janmatch@earthlink.net>; "David Opderbeck"
>> <dopderbeck@gmail.com>; "James Mahaffy" <mahaffy@dordt.edu>
>> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: [asa] The Swift-Boating of Judge Jones
>>
>>
>> > Basically I agree with David Opderbeck: It's not plagiarism when a
>> > judge
>> > decides to use the proposed findings of one party to the case. What
>> > appalls me
>> > is the reaction in some quarters, typified by the WND headline, "Judge
>> > copied
>> > ACLU brief..."
>> >
>> > OTOH, I note the same misunderstanding in the PT article that was
>> > linked
>> > to.
>> > They accuse Steve Meyer of plagiarizing himself. Wesley Elsberry (who
>> > is
>> > an
>> > academic and should know better) put together a perl script that
>> > compared
>> > the
>> > text in two of Meyer's papers and found up to 33% agreement, depending
>> > on
>> > the
>> > string length used for comparison. So what? When an academic thinks he
>> > has
>> > something publishable he submits several papers to different journals
>> > and
>> > conferences, and the likelihood is high that they will share quite a
>> > bit
>> > of
>> > text. The mere fact that Meyer used material from an earlier paper
>> > doesn't
>> > prove anything -- except that he wants to get his point across by
>> > publishing it
>> > in as many forums as possible.
>> >
>> > BTW I agree with Janice's rejection of Judge Jones' view of the
>> > founders
>> > rationale for the establishment clause. While they were not necessarily
>> > all
>> > Christians, they did tend to think in Christian categories, and I doubt
>> > most of
>> > thyem thought that true religion was arrived at by contemplating one's
>> > navel.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill Hamilton
>> > William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
>> > 248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
>> > "...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31
>> >
>> >
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