Re: [asa] Lets move beyond straw men and uninformed opinion

From: Michael Roberts <>
Date: Thu Dec 07 2006 - 05:44:08 EST

This is a very wise post and I agree with what you say.

To list the problems of ID;
1. Political posing of Wells Johnson
2. Inaccurate content of writings by Wells and Johnson in particular. There
is an honesty question here.
3. Refusal to come clean on the age of the earth
4 Willingness to associate too closely with YEC
5 (weaker) association with Right Wing agenda and weak on the environment
6 Tendency to be god of the gaps
7 Tendency to be offensive to TEs

Points 1 and 2 are the most serious and remove all credibility from ID.

Because of this I do not take any ID arguments seriously

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Campbell" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Lets move beyond straw men and uninformed opinion

> To me, the biggest problem with scientific credibility for Behe and
> Dembski is their failure to effectively dissociate themselves from the
> Wells/Johnson/etc. conspiracy theory version of ID. However, I don't
> find the irreducible complexity, specified complexity, etc. arguments
> very sound, and as noted above some of Dembski's comments in other
> contexts have problems (he has admitted this himself).
> The Meyer article is both rather weak on merits and blatantly out of
> place in J Biol Soc Wash. Although it is within the theoretical scope
> of the journal (biology), in fact the journal is basically a taxonomic
> outlet, with practically all the papers being along the lines of "Two
> new species of the genus Ittybittium (Mollusca: Gastropoda)" or "A
> review of the genus Io". My father, who doesn't follow the ID
> controversy closely but who was looking for taxonomy articles, saw the
> Meyer article and wondered what it was.
> The arguments were standard ID claims that evolution can't explain
> things, often misrepresentative of the cited sources that Meyer was
> supposedly summarizing as a review article. In particular, articles
> claiming that their results did not follow the conventional
> evolutionary expectations were invoked as evidence against evolution.
> However, in reality those articles were proposing alternative
> evolutionary explanations that do not affect the overall big picture
> of evolution.
> --
> Dr. David Campbell
> 425 Scientific Collections
> University of Alabama
> "I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"
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