Re: [asa] What causes students to move from faith?

From: Roger Olson <>
Date: Thu Sep 07 2006 - 13:09:08 EDT

Janice Matchett wrote:

> At 03:48 PM 9/6/2006, *James Mahaffy wrote:
> *
>> On 9/5/2006 at 10:50 PM, *Roger G. Olson wrote:*
>> Well, what are we gonna do, Merv? *What about the poor ignorant
>> slob who's led to Christ under the false pretext* of some despicable
>> representative of a YEC "ministry" who proffers YEC propaganda as
>> "proof" of the veracity of Christianity? What happens when this poor
>> slob studies some science
>> and realizes that YEC is cobblers? Uh oh! There goes the faith!
>> ... *~ Roger*
> *@ * Phillipians Chapter 1
> (vs 15) "Some preach Christ even of envy and strife..." The motive
> behind some preaching is wrong. As long as they are not preaching a
> different gospel, but are preaching a pure gospel, then "Christ is
> proclaimed".
> (vs 16) "Set for the defence of __the gospel__".
> (vs 17) Paul again refers to the selfish motives of some.
> (vs 18) "What then"? What reeeally matters? Paul didn't approve of
> their attitude, yet, _if "the good news" (Christ) was proclaimed_, he
> was happy.
> Those listening to "the good news" have no way of knowing if the
> preacher is preaching for the wrong reasons (ie: selfish motives).
> They hear the gospel.
> There always was, and always will be preachers who preach "Truth" with
> bad motives and people who worship with wrong motives, also.
> Puny man can't hinder God, or thwart the plan he is unfolding in the
> least.
>> "....Have there been any good studies on what causes US students to
>> move toward unbelief? ..." *~ James*
> @ It's not possible to lose or move away from something you never
> had in the first place.
> *John 6:65,* /"For this reason I have said to you, that *_no one can
> come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father_.*"
> /Likewise, it's not possible to thwart what Christ said He would do:
> *John 6:44,* /"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me
> draws him; and_ *I will raise _him_ up on the last day*_*.*"
> /Your fears are unfounded.
> ~ Janice
The pastor dude whose ministry is featured on this website: claimed in a post on Theologyweb (his
screen name is "SixLiteralDays" -- blecch) that he has brought people
to Christ (or seen brought) based on YEC apologetics. Whether their
salvation "takes" and they develop a reasoned faith based on spiritual
truth not YEC lies and propaganda or they were never "saved" in the
first place (I don't want to get into a "no true scotsman" deal here),
can't you see this as a dangerous tack? The point is if they were fed a
pack of lies (whether or not pastor realizes this!). The putative
conversion was based on false pretences.

Of course the Father and Holy Spirit can do as they please, but this
YEC-for-evangelizing is scary ground. Lieing for Jesus is not
acceptable behavior. Of course YEC is not the only way this is done.

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