Re: Small Victories

From: David Opderbeck <>
Date: Sat Feb 25 2006 - 15:54:26 EST

I started reading the articles in the journal you attached. The first one
says "The scientific creationists demand that their scriptures are, using
literal interpretations, scientific descriptions of nature while ignoring
flat earth and other conflicting observations that are not supported by
science or logic." Fair enough.

The footnote reference for that statement, however, is to a section of the
Chicago Statement of Inerrancy, which states the familiar (to Evangelicals)
proposition that apparent inconsistencies between observations in general
revelation and statements in scripture may be the result of phenomenological
language or of other misunderstandings that we believe will one day be
clarified. The author ridicules this position and compares it to Occam's
Razor which, he erroneously reports, holds that "what you see is what you

I almost barfed. This author clearly has no clue what Evangelicals mean when
we talk about the inerrancy of scripture, or what other Christians mean when
they talk about the authority of scripture, or how anything other than
WYSIWYG could provide a ground for a truth claim (even if Occam himself
would disagree).

I do hope groups like the ASA can educate the Church about what good science
is and isn't, and how it relates to the claims of our faith. Sometimes I
think, though, that in our zeal to preserve science from error, we ally
ourselves with even worse error. Multitudes of people are heading for Hell
because they are deceived into believing the Gospel is a myth and science
explains everything without any need for God (the "proper" use of Occam's
razor against theism).

I read Keith's contribution to the Georgia publication, and he makes the
point that "science" is only a limited method and not an explanation of all
truth. Good. But as the lead author's article in that same volume
demonstrates, that doesn't seem to be how scientists actually act or think,
excepting maybe a few folks like Keith. Don't we accomodate too easily to
postivism and scientism? Don't we spend too much energy debating ID,
arguing with our brothers and sisters about whether Noah poled the ark
upstream or not and such, and not enough defining a clear *Christian *witness
concerning the limits of science?

On 2/25/06, Dick Fischer <> wrote:
> I'd like to share this because you all have become my extended family over
> the years and because it has been mentioned on this list numerous times
> YECs are winning the battle for the hearts and minds of Christians with
> their publicity juggernaut.
> After the Dover verdict you may remember the remarks of Finn Laursen, head
> of Christian Educators Association International (CEAI), which were more
> a lament, that were placed on this list. I belong to CEAI and have
> Finn a few times over the TE vs. ID issue. The past president, Forrest
> Turpen, who I met in Florida two years ago, asked me to write an article
> addressing the problem of why young Christian students often suffer a
> of faith when they get to higher levels of education. Of course, we know
> why that happens!
> The article I wrote and submitted languished over the months approved, but
> never published. I asked Finn to check on the status of the article.
> Nothing happened. Then Keith Miller told us of his publication. (Miller,
> K.B., 2005, Countering public misconceptions about the nature of
> evolutionary science, Georgia Journal of Science, v.63, p.175-189). Pim
> gave us the web address:
> I forwarded Keith's paper to Finn and suggested that he query Keith for a
> similar article for Teachers of Vision magazine which is the publication
> CEAI. Yesterday I received a request from the editor to send them a
> that day so they could get my article in the Spring issue.
> So you never know what's going to work. I believe that Keith's article in
> the right hands paved the way for my article that may pave the way for
> others and open up new opportunities to witness. All we can do is stay
> active, stick together, tell the truth, and hope it will have an impact.
> And if we write, write. When we read good articles, the ASA web site has
> many, we need to forward them around where they can do some good. Not
> to us. We're supposed to know some of this stuff by now.
> Janice, for example, has taken heat for putting articles on our listserv.
> Thank God for her and others of you who have kept the rest of us
> knowledgeable and abreast of news that we would miss otherwise. ASA is a
> great organization. We have good leadership and we can make a difference.
> Dick Fischer
> ~Dick Fischer~ Genesis Proclaimed Association
> Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
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