Re: The death of the RTB model

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Date: Tue Feb 14 2006 - 06:50:43 EST

>You seem to have an overly simplistic view of how this scientific controversy goes. The out-of-Africa folks and the multi->regional folks have neither one convinced the other over the past decade. I'd suggest that the jury is still out. Of course, >this paper is a new part of the discussion, but on such a complex issue, seldom does a single result prove decisive. 
Terry, I have a deep respect for you. But I bet I have read about 500 more books and probably a 2000 times more articles on anthro than you have. I would say this. I don't have a simplistic view of how the debate rages and I doubt this article will end it any more than multiple lines of evidence ends YECism.  But I do have a highly developed appreciation for the power of statistics. When a hypothesis is rejected at the level the total replacement theory is rejected, there is truly little hope for anything but irrationalism to save the theory. I will tell you I posted a similar article in a place where there are knowledgeable out-of-Africa advocates.  On that site in the past when I have posted things advocating multiregionalism, they have given me all sorts of fits. Some of them are quite knowledgeable and have great criticisms of my position.  But, this time, so far it has been utter silence from them. I think they know the problem they now have.  Perhaps you have a simplistic understanding of the power of statistics with genetic systems to discriminate between the two hypotheses. One the one hand we have out of Africa claiming total genetic separation between the archaics and the moderns (based solely on mtDNA which is but a fraction of our genetic heritage) and we have Hugh Ross claiming the same.  But on the other hand we have a statistical examination of nuclear DNA which rejects the above hypothesis of total genetic separation at the P<10^-17 level.  I spoke with a guy here in Beijing who works for Proctor and Gamble about this paper. He has to do statistical analyses on chemicals and their safety. He said that in his human trials of various chemicals a P<10^-1 was sufficient to reject the hypothesis. But for some reason, people are emotionally wedded to the idea of a separation of us from the archaics--even those who profess evolution like you and are not looking at the P<10^-17. You sure like high risk theories if you believe in ooA after this.
The entire case for replacement comes from studies on mtDNA. That is such a small fraction of our DNA that to base an entire theory upon it giving us the entire picture of human genetic history is simply mindboggling as far as I am concerned.

>Your mindset seems virtually identical to Hugh Ross and others who have their scientific proof of the day that proves that >the Bible is true. What does happen when scientists change their mind on an issue like this? Let's let the scientific debate >rage. If our faith in confidence in scripture is dependent on which way the argument goes this year, we're to be pitied. I >know that this raises all the questions you've been concerned with over the years about Biblical reliability, but I suggest >that to put your confidence (or lack thereof) in origins (rather than, say, the life,death, and resurrection of Jesus) is mistake
This is a separate issue that has been debated much. I do find it odd that people who demand objective proof in their professional areas, who also demand that the YECs prove that the earth is young will take a position which requires that the Bible not be objectively factually true and then claim that anyone who doesn't accept that approach is a hopeless concordist. If one can believe that which is false, why shouldn't we allow the YECs to believe that which is false??????

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