RE: petition to amend ASA Constitutional Objectives?

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Wed Nov 30 2005 - 14:11:29 EST

I agree with Dave. To think we can "ascertain God's will" is
presumptive. The best we can do is to prayerfully attempt to rightly
divide His Word in Scripture, pray for divine guidance, and pray that He
will act in our lives and the lives of others.

~Dick Fischer~ Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Joe Carson
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: petition to amend ASA Constitutional Objectives?

Dear ASA listserv,

I'm Joe Carson, P.E., President of the Affiliation of Christian
Engineers. I am a deeply concerned engineer and Christian.

As this touches ASA, I do not think ASA, which I consider an
auxiliary engineering/scientific professional society for Christian
engineers and scientists, to have adequate "objectives" by its
Constitution. (Note: ASA's Constitution and Bylaws can be found in
its membership directory.)

By its Constitution, Article 1 Section 2, ASA has the following

a. to integrate and to interpret the discoveries of the natural and
social sciences with the insights derived from Scripture and
Christian theology;

b. to share scientific knowledge, ethical concerns, and the results
of the integration and interpretation produced in Objective 2.a with
other Christians, in order to help the Church better understand
science, technology, and the Christian theology; and

c. to share faith and scholarship with scientific colleagues.


I do not disagree with these objectives, as far as they go. But I
disagree that they are closed-ended and too specific. I do not think
them an adequate reflection of God's will for ASA and its
members. My proposal for amended objectives for ASA follows.

The Objectives of ASA is to serve as an organizational vehicle by
which Christian members of science and engineering professions can:

a) collectively and intentionally, with theologians and others,
ascertain God's will for science and engineering professions and
their Christian members;

b) document and disseminate the results of such efforts; and

c) equip and encourage its members to intentionally, individually and
collectively, influence the science and engineering professions to
advance God's will in and through them.


I have had some communication with Randy Isaac, Executive Director of
ASA about my concerns and suggestions for ASA's objectives. He does
not agree with my perceptions, which is certainly his
prerogative. However, I am concerned that he may be assuming too
much power vis-a-vis the governance of ASA. By ASA's Constitution
and Bylaws, the ASA Executive Council "governs" ASA affairs, to
advance its objectives, consistent with the will of its
membership. The Executive Director is employed by the Executive
Council and under its director, to fulfill the duties listed in for
the position in the ASA bylaws. Randy Isaac's current position is
that he will not allow the Executive Council to consider my proposal,
making him the leader of ASA and the Executive Council his
rubber-stamp. (Why is he controlling the agenda for Executive
Council meetings?)

The President of ASA, not the Executive Director (who is not even a
voting member of the Executive Council), "leads" ASA, by the ASA
Bylaws. In the ASA newsletter, the ASA President, not the Executive
Director, should have a column (or they should alternate, or both
have columns.)

I wish to see ASA follow its Constitution and bylaws in its
governance. I wish to circulate a petition to the ASA membership
about amending its Constitution regarding its objectives, per ASA
Constitution Article V Section 1. (if 5% of ASA membership signs a
petition proposing a change to its Constitution, it must be submitted
to the ASA membership, by mail, for a vote.)

What I wish to see is the ASA President and Executive Council start
to more actively govern ASA, instead of apparently delegating their
responsibilities for governing ASA to the ASA Executive
Director. This includes creating a strategic plan, vision statement,
etc - not in a vacuum, but via a Committee of ASA members, appointed
by the ASA President, per ASA bylaws, charged to review ASA purposes
and activities, to determine if they adequately reflect God's will
for ASA and its members, in 2005 (or 2006).

At any rate, I've offered to pay for the cost of a mailing to ASA
membership to solicit support for a petition to propose amendments
to its Constitutional objectives. I would appreciate any feedback
others on this listserv have. It's our ASA, it should respond to our
interests. Its Constitution and bylaws are not "sacred" and
unchangeable, in fact they specifically allow for change in response
to member interest.

Feel free to push back, hard, if you deem appropriate. Feel free to
contact me off-line.


Joe Carson, P.E.
President, Affiliation of Christian Engineers
Received on Wed Nov 30 14:15:30 2005

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