Re: impassibility (was Re: Vienna cardinal draws lines in Intelligent Design row)

From: Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue Nov 22 2005 - 14:30:57 EST

At 01:28 PM 11/22/2005, George Murphy wrote:

9) Since the RC site includes an ill-advised condemnation, the
following condemnation ..... may be relevant: ..." ~ George

### Panentheism

Pantheism has features in common with
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Panentheism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>panentheism,
such as the idea that the universe is part of God. Technically, the
two are separate, inasmuch as pantheism finds God synonymous with
nature, and panentheism finds God to be greater than nature alone.
Some find this distinction unhelpful, while others see it as a
significant point of division. Many of the major faiths described as
pantheistic could also be described as panentheistic, whereas
naturalistic pantheism cannot (not seeing God as more than nature
alone). For example, elements of both panentheism and pantheism are
found in Hinduism. Certain interpretations of the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Bhagavad+Gita&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Bhagavad
Gita and
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Shri+Rudram+Chamakam&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Shri
Rudram support this view.

Pantheistic concepts in religion

Hinduism

In Hindu
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Theology&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>theology
Brahman is
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=The+Ultimate&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>the
ultimate, both
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Transcendence&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>transcendent
and
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Immanence&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>immanent,
the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Absolute+Infinite&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>absolute
infinite
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Existence&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>existence,
the sum total of all that ever is, was, or ever shall be. As the sun
has rays of light which emanate from the same source, the same holds
true for the multifaceted aspects of God emanating from Brahman, like
many colors of the same prism. This concept of God is of one unity,
with the individual personal Gods being aspects of the One; thus,
different deities are seen by different adherents as particularly
well suited to their worship. Pantheism and panentheism are key
components of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Advaita+Vedanta&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Advaita
theology.

In
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Smartism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Smartist
tradition, which follows
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Advaita+Vedanta&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Advaita
philosophy, Brahman is seen as the one God, with aspects of God
emanating therefrom. With all Hindus, there is a strong belief in all
paths, or true religions leading to One God.

Some of the Hindu aspects of God include
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Ganesha&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Ganesa,
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Devi&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Devi,
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Vishnu&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Vishnu,
and
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Shiva&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Siva.

Hindus who follow the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Smartism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Smarta
tradition believe that these different aspects of God can bring
worshippers closer to
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Moksha&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Moksha,
end of the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Reincarnation&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>cycle
of rebirth.

Other subdivisions of Vedanta do not strictly hold this tenet. For
example,
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Dvaita&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Dvaita
school of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Madhva&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Madhva
holds Brahman to be only
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Vishnu&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Vishnu.
In contrast,
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Arya+Samaj&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Arya
Samaj believes in worshipping Brahman directly, without
conceptualizing God through form such as
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Ishta-deva&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Ishta-deva
or using an
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Icon&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>icon,
the Hindu
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Murti&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>murti
to focus. Arya Samaj only takes into consideration the formless
Brahman while Advaita states that the formless Brahman and the
formful God
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Saguna+Brahman&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Saguna
Brahman are the same and hence worship of either is valid and
equivalent. However, Advaita agrees with Arya Samaj that the Ultimate
Reality is attributeless, in contrast to the theistic schools of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Ramanuja&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Ramanuja,
who also stressed panentheism, and
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Madhva&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Madhva,
an advocate of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Duality&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>duality.

<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Vedanta&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Vedanta,
specifically,
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Advaita+Vedanta&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Advaita,
is a branch of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Hindu+philosophy&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Hindu
philosophy which gives this matter a greater focus. Most Vedantic
adherents are
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Monism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>monists
or
"non-<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Dualism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>dualists"
(i.e.
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Advaita+Vedanta&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Advaita
Vedanta), seeing multiple manifestations of the one God or source of
being, a view which is often confused by non-Hindus as being
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Polytheism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>polytheistic.

Judaism

The
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Kabbalah&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Kabbalah,
in Jewish mysticism, paints a pantheistic/panentheistic view of God
which has wide acceptance in
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Hasidic+Judaism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Hasidic
Judaism, particularly from their founder, the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Israel+ben+Eliezer&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Baal
Shem Tov.

Christian

 From the tiny groups such as
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Process+theology&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Process
theology and
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Creation+Spirituality&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Creation
Spirituality, up to the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Liberal+Catholic+Church&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Liberal
Catholic Church, and as far back into history as the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Brethren+of+the+Free+Spirit&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Brethren
of the Free Spirit and many
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Gnosticism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>gnostics,
the idea has had currency within some segmets of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Christendom&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>christendom
for some time.

Other religions

There are elements of pantheism in
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Theosophy&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Theosophy,
some forms of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Buddhism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Buddhism,
and
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Taoism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Taoism
along with many varying denominations and individuals within and
without denominations.

Many
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Unitarian+Universalism&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Unitarian
Universalists consider themselves pantheists.

Quotations
A
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Religion&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>religion
old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Universe&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>universe
as
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Revelation&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>revealed
by modern
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Science&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>science,
might be able to draw forth reserves of
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Sacred&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>reverence
and awe hardly tapped by the
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Convention&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>conventional
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Faith&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>faiths.
Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge. - Carl Sagan,
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Pale+Blue+Dot&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Pale
Blue Dot
(<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=1994&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>1994)

It is necessary to note that While Sagan never described himself as a
pantheist; many maintain that pantheism fit his views better than any
other term. This claim, while widely accepted among pantheists of all
varieties, remains somewhat controversial outside the pantheist
community. A similar debate surrounds the attribution of pantheism to
other notable figures, including
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Albert+Einstein&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Einstein.

I believe in
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Baruch+Spinoza&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Spinoza's
God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in
a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings. -
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Albert+Einstein&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Albert
Einstein
To me, nature is sacred. Trees are my temples and forests are my
cathedrals. - Mikhail
<http://www.answers.com/topic//main/ntquery;jsessionid=22hwldmm05br3?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Mikhail+Gorbachev&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a>Gorbachev
<http://resurgence.gn.apc.org/184/gorbachev.htm>[1]
(http://resurgence.gn.apc.org/184/gorbachev.htm)
More: http://www.answers.com/topic/pantheism

~ Janice
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