Re: Vatican

From: <RFaussette@aol.com>
Date: Tue Nov 15 2005 - 07:41:52 EST

In a message dated 11/14/2005 1:58:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
panterragroup@mindspring.com writes:
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In a message dated 11/14/2005 11:54:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
panterragroup@mindspring.com writes:
Hmm, don't like the word novel, how about just bizzare?
How about you do a little more reading to expand your horizons. Then,
theological concepts presented in the major works of Judeo-Christianity won't strike
you as "bizarre" or "novel."

rich faussette

Tell me that the Kabbalah , a combination of babylonian religion, astrology,
myth, magic, persian zoroastrianism, dualism, gnosticism, and neoplatonism
doesn't contain ideas that would be considered bizarre.

Bizarre? This comparison was recently published on the Ancient Bible History
list:

"Found this interesting list comparising Zoroastrianism with 2nd temple
Judaism

1. no images of God
2. a revealed religion with categories of sacred books: revelation,
psalms, commentary (Avesta ~ Torah, Gathas ~ Psalms, Zend ~ Talmud)
3. linear concept of time, broken into sections, with eschatology &
apocalyptic
4. official monotheism; lesser gods become 'angels'
5. dualism (God vs Devil ~ Jews vs non-Jews)
6. a prophet (Zoroaster ~ Moses)
7. messianism (saoshyant ~ messiah, christ, saviour) leading to a
paradise on earth (not in heaven), with a resurrection of the body
8. male orientation: God is male, female menstruation pollutes
9. emphasis on ritual cleanness, pollution laws, keeping separate
from outsiders, who are called pagans (in Judaism goyim, the nations)
10. no temple (Zoroastrian) cf. only one temple (Judaism)
11. missionary activity
12. fire orientation (burning bush, Mt Sinai)
13. sanctity of the number 7 (7 arch-angels, 7 days of creation)
14. ban on marrying out
15. opposition to celibacy
16. clean & unclean species of animals
17. a state religion with imperial aspirations
18. hereditary priestly tribe/caste (magi ~ levi, cohen)

The Persian king of kings was clearly establishing a pro-Persian
Parsi/Pharisee group situated strategically in the Levant when he
allowed the Jews to return and rebiuld their temple."

Bible historians on the list (400) did not find this bizarre. Note, some of
these components also form a major part of Christian orthodoxy, while some of
them regarding the maintenance of a kin group are abandoned with Christian
universalism. Present day Parsis are very much like Jewish orthodox groups with
their strict boundary between insiders and outsiders and their accent on
pronatalism.

richard faussette
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