RE: Pope says universe made by 'intelligent project'

From: Denyse O'Leary <oleary@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat Nov 12 2005 - 20:14:14 EST

Fine, if you want theories and cheap shots, listen to George. Otherwise, go
to the Post-Darwinist and then proceed through the link to Schonborn's
site, where S. uses the term "intelligent design" in English, and see for
yourselves what is happening.
 
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cheers, Denyse

Again I point out something Denyse has shown herself to be opaque to but
which may be helpful for others. "Intelligent Design" as used by Behe,
Dembski &c is a technical term IN ENGLISH. In order for the Pope to
"identify with" ID he should do it in English. Translations in German,
Italian or any other language simply produce ambiguity in such a situation,
& a claim by Cardinal Schoenborn, z.B., that the Pope "really" meant ID is a
statement by a translator. In the same way, a theologian who is making a
formal statement about, z.B., something in the Augsburg Confession will
refer to the German (or secondary Latin), not a translation in some other
language.
 
& in addition (as I've also noted) the distinction between "intelligent
design" as a religious belief & as a putative scientific theory has to be
borne in mind. So until the Pope (a) makes a statement using the English
terminology and (b) explicitly identifies "intelligent design" with the idea
that such design can be detected scientifically & should be part of a
scientific theories, it cannot be said that the Pope has "identified" with
ID. (& of course if he does I'm quite prepared to follow Luther in saying
"Popes and councils have erred.")
 
This is not "spin," though Denyse's dizziness may make her think it is.
 

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VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI has waded into the evolution debate in the
United States, saying the universe was made by an "intelligent project" and
criticizing those who in the name of science say its creation was without
direction or order.

Benedict made the off-the-cuff comments during his general audience
Wednesday. The Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, published the full
text of his remarks in its Thursday editions.

Benedict focused his reflections for the audience on scriptural readings
that said God's love was seen in the "marvels of creation."

He quoted St. Basil the Great, a fourth century saint, as saying some
people, "fooled by the atheism that they carry inside of them, imagine a
universe free of direction and order, as if at the mercy of chance."

"How many of these people are there today? These people, fooled by atheism,
believe and try to demonstrate that it's scientific to think that everything
is free of direction and order," he said.

"With the sacred Scripture, the Lord awakens the reason that sleeps and
tells us: In the beginning, there was the creative word. In the beginning,
the creative word -- this word that created everything and created this
intelligent project that is the cosmos -- is also love."

His comments were immediately hailed by advocates of intelligent design, who
hold that the universe is so complex it must have been created by a higher
power. U.S. proponents of the theory are seeking to get public schools to
teach it as part of the science curriculum.

Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism -- a literal reading of
the Bible's story of creation -- camouflaged in scientific language.

Questions about the Vatican's position on evolution were raised in July by
Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, who attended Wednesday's audience.

In a New York Times op-ed piece, Schoenborn seemed to back intelligent
design and dismissed a 1996 statement by Pope John Paul II that evolution
was "more than just a hypothesis." Schoenborn said the late pope's statement
was "rather vague and unimportant."

Schoenborn attended Wednesday's audience. He was seated on the dais behind
Benedict in St. Peter's Square, along with other Austrian bishops making a
regularly scheduled visit to the Vatican.

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