Re: Post-Darwinist: Pope uses term "intelligent design" in a favourable context

From: Robert Schneider <>
Date: Fri Nov 11 2005 - 18:19:25 EST

I thought Owen Gingerich put it well in the most recent "Science & Theology
News": He said that he believes in an intelligent designer but has trouble
with Intelligent Design. I believe that B16 would agree.


----- Original Message -----
From: "George Murphy" <>
To: "Denyse O'Leary" <>; <>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Post-Darwinist: Pope uses term "intelligent design" in a
favourable context

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Denyse O'Leary" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:05 PM
> Subject: Post-Darwinist: Pope uses term "intelligent design" in a
> favourable context
>> Post-Darwinist: The Pope was mistranslated. It appears that he did say
>> "intelligent design" in a favourable context
>> It appears, from a reliable source, that when the Pope used the words
>> "intelligent plan" he meant "intelligent design". He was using the German
>> word "Plan", which, according to Cassells German Dictionary, can mean
>> "design". In that case, the Pope was signalling clearly that intelligent
>> design of the universe and life is indeed the correct Catholic view.
>> [Cardinal Schonborn has the story at his Web site, where he translates
>> "intelligenten Plan" ans "intelligent design".]
>>
> Sorry Denyse, this won't work. "Intelligent Design" in English is now a
> technical term & you always need to be careful with those in any language.
> The fact that a German word _can_ mean "design" doesn't prove that it's
> being used in the same technical sense that Dembski, z.B., means when he
> says "design." Cassells lists 16 English meanings for /der Plan/, of
> which the 11th is "design." The 10th is "plan." If the Pope wants to
> make an explicit endorsement of ID he should do it in English because
> that's the language in which it has become a technical term.
> Besides, there is still the ambiguity between "intelligent design" as a
> religious belief & as a putative scientific theory. Of course the former
> is the correct view not only of RCs but of all Christians. The latter is
> a different matter. (Do you know the difference Denyse? Some things you
> write make me wonder.)
> Shalom
> George
Received on Fri Nov 11 18:22:22 2005

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