Re: Vatican

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Fri Nov 11 2005 - 14:11:03 EST

I got a new take on your third point from Dr. Peter Flint's recent
lectures in Phoenix. The Dead Sea scrolls present more comprehensively
the Jewish view of the time when Jesus lived. Expulsion of the Romans was
only a part of the whole. At the time there were three major groups, only
one of which, the Pharisees, survived in later Judaism. Contemporary
Jewish thought is fourth century, not first.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:13:04 -0500 "George Murphy" <>
1) The question of canonicity is of course exactly the opposite of my
"opinion." It is one of the "opinion" of the church catholic since the
2d century.

2) Why you would imagine that "a literal reading of the Bible" is my
"burden" I cannot imagine, except that it may fit in with some pet theory
of yours. If you had paid any attention to other posts on this list you
would have seen that I've sometimes been criticized for not being
sufficiently "literal."

3) My 3d sentence explained that the "Jewish concepts of the Messiah"
which I said carried little weight were "the predominant popular Jewish
messianic concept at the time, the leader who would throw out the Romans
and establish Jewish domination." I never said, or have said, or - deo
volente - will say that the Hebrew scriptures are unimportant for
Christian theology. It's the Gnostics who generally took that line!

4) If you would take the trouble to read, & try to understand, what
other people write instead of just seizing every opportunity to ride off
on your hobby horse you might be able to make more useful contributions
to conversations.

Received on Fri Nov 11 14:15:13 2005

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