Re: Panda's from 1995

From: Cornelius Hunter <ghunter2099@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri Nov 11 2005 - 11:24:07 EST

The phrase wasn't removed because the phrase is part of evolutionary theory. Indeed, in Miller's own writings, more recent than the textbook (ie, *Finding Darwin's God*) he hammers this point home repeatedly. Now, on the hotseat he plays dumb.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rich Blinne
  To: Terry M. Gray
  Cc: asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Panda's from 1995

   On 11/10/05, Terry M. Gray <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu > wrote:
    Check this out: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/docs/asa_doc8.txt

    TG

  Interesting. Note the following:
    Following these presentations were interactions with the audience. John
    Wiester quoted from Miller's book, Biology (K. Miller and J. Levine,
    Prentice-Hall, 1993, p. 658):

    "In many ways, each animal phylum represents an experiment in the design of
    body structures to perform the tasks necessary for survival. Of course,
    there has never been any kind of plan to these experiments because evolution
    works without either plan or purpose."

    He then asked Ken if he would consider this science or philosophy. John's
    point was that B.'s ideological implications are significant and worth
    considering for revision in the next edition of the book.
     
   MSNBC reported at the Dover trial said he missed the reference.
    Miller also backed off a statement in a 1995 biology textbook he co-wrote that said evolution was "random and undirected." Miller said he missed that reference by a co-author and that he did not believe evolution was random and undirected.

  Yet, this shows that the reference was brought to his attention in the same year that the book was published. Further, the phrase was apparently not removed in the 1998 or 2000 editions.

    In spite of author Kenneth Miller's pledge to the American Scientific Affiliation in August of 1995 to remove the phrases that "evolution is without plan or purpose" and "evolution is random and undirected" because they represent ideology masquerading as science, this identical language reappeared in the 1998 and 2000 editions.

  Could someone with access to recent editions of Biology please verify this? Could someone with access to the trial transcripts get Miller's exact words on the stand as the MSNBC article does not directly quote him? If pro-teleology is not allowed then neither should anti-teleology. As such, Miller should be held to his pledge.
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