RE: Vatican

From: Stephen J. Krogh, P.G. <>
Date: Thu Nov 10 2005 - 17:53:00 EST

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> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Stephen J. Krogh, P.G. wrote:
> > I suppose you were commenting on my post. Eve wasn't created
> just to be a
> > gardening helper, but to complete him. Another male would have
> been better
> > suited to work with Adam in the garden. It is clear that is not
> the case.
> > Adam felt incomplete. Adam seeing all the other animals in the
> Garden. Did
> > they have mates?
> >
> > [22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made
> he a woman,
> > and brought her unto the man.
> > [23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of
> my flesh: she
> > shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
> > [24] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
> shall cleave
> > unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
> >
> > These verses really don't make sense if Adam just needed a helper.
> >
> The creation of Eve had multiple purposes, not just to supply a helper.

Well terrific, that was my point. I did not suggest that that it was solely
for a helper.
That is secondary, otherwise God would have created Steve, not Eve.

> just happens to be the one specifically mentioned before it took place. I
> am afraid that focusing on the sexual partner aspect has caused this
> passage to be misused by Christians to justify a negative view of celibacy
> even though several New Testament passages have positive things to say
> about it. This negative view is also a factor in efforts to soften Jesus'
> hard saying in Matthew 19, which, ironically, is based on this same OT
> passage.

The concluding "Therefore" in vs. 24 really cements that Adam felt
and needed a mate, in the full sense of the word. Adam was not called to be
celibate. Others may be.
But I don't need to accommodate celibacy in my view of this scripture.

> Gordon Brown
> Department of Mathematics
> University of Colorado
> Boulder, CO 80309-0395

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