Re: Vatican

From: George Murphy <gmurphy@raex.com>
Date: Tue Nov 08 2005 - 22:18:27 EST

It's not surprising that Janice & her obscurantist sources are trying to minimize the significance of such statements. Of course "the Vatican" hasn't endorsed evolution in the sense of an ex cathedra definition making acceptance of it de fide for RCs, but a statement by the head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, when seen in the context of earlier statements by JP II, certainly carries some weight. It shows a clear desire on the part of the RCC to distance itself from creationism and the ID movement, at least in its popular manifestion.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: janice matchett
  To: Randy Isaac ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Vatican

  At 09:31 PM 11/8/2005, Randy Isaac wrote:

    Someone sent me this clip from Australia. Did anyone see the full text of the Vatican statement?
     
    Randy
     

    Evolution in the bible, says Vatican

    By Martin Penner

    November 07, 2005
     

    THE Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally.
    Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible" if the Bible were read correctly.

    His statement was a clear attack on creationist campaigners in the US, who see evolution and the Genesis account as mutually exclusive.

    "The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator".

    This idea was part of theology, Cardinal Poupard emphasised, while the precise details of how creation and the development of the species came about belonged to a different realm - science. Cardinal Poupard said that it was important for Catholic believers to know how science saw things so as to "understand things better".

    His statements were interpreted in Italy as a rejection of the "intelligent design" view, which says the universe is so complex that some higher being must have designed every detail.

  ### Here's all I have ~ Janice

  The "Vatican" Endorses "Darwin"? ["Vatican" has done no such thing
  Ignatius Press Blog - Ignatius Insight Scoop ^ | 11/08/05 | Mark Brumley
  Posted on 11/08/2005 4:12:49 PM EST by AHerald
  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1518243/posts

  News reports from a variety of sources are claiming that the Vatican has endorsed evolution and condemned Intelligent Design. For example, at Science and Theology news the headline declares, "Vatican sides with Darwin." The subheader for the piece states, "There is no more confusion swirling around the Vatican over its stance on ID. Darwin has won out, and scientists are breathing a collective sigh of relief." Glad to know that scientists care so much what the Vatican says about things like this.

  Then there is The Australian, which states, "The Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally."

  Not as direct about the issue of evolution, ABC News declared, "Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science."

  Lots of online media have picked up on the story and repeated it. The problem is, so many are getting it wrong. "The Vatican" has said nothing on the subject. No statements have been issued by the Vatican. Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made some remarks pertaining to the subject of evolution at a religion and science conference being held at the Vatican. Some other churchmen at the same conference made some remarks. But "the Vatican" has issued no declarations, nor has it "endorsed Darwin."

  When Pope John Paul II declared evolution to be more than a hypothesis in his 1996 Address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, he didn't "endorse Darwin," as I pointed out at the time. To say that versions of the theory of evolution are compatible with Christianity is not to "endorse Darwin." It is to say that versions of the theory of evolution are compatible with Christianity. That much was implied by Pius XII half a century ago.

  Whether the theory of evolution can account for the diversity and present forms of biological species is primarily a scientific question, not a theological one, even if, indirectly, it has theological implications. Perhaps evolution can account for these things; perhaps it can't. But whether it can or not, the Vatican hasn't weighed in. It has, however, maintained what we should expect it to maintain--that whatever we say about evolution or biology as a matter of natural science, God is the Creator of all life and his creative activity can be rationally discerned from the world around us.
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