RE: It's the Bible or evolution

From: Alexanian, Moorad <>
Date: Wed Sep 28 2005 - 20:41:08 EDT

How does the fact that in 5 billion years our sun will become a red giant and engulf the earth fit in evolutionary theory or theistic evolution? What form of natural selection does this imply? It seems that the whole thing is more futile than indicated by those who consider there to be no meaning in the whole of creation.





From: on behalf of David C Campbell
Sent: Wed 9/28/2005 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: It's the Bible or evolution

>Simply put, the issue is whether or not creation is what God >intended.
Is divine action efficacious so nature represents divine will,
>or is divine action limited or otherwise not efficacious so nature is
>a divine design?

There is nothing inherent in evolution as a biological process that
prevents God from accomplishing His will through it, if one accepts the
premises that He is smart enough to figure it out and powerful enough
to determine the course of events.

The concept of randomness has produced some confusion here. Some
aspects of evolution are random in the sense that casting lots is
random, i.e. describable by a probabilistic model. Some aspects are
random in the sense of humanly unpredictable, in the sense that the
course of history or long term weather are random. There is also
randomness in the sense of unguided or purposeless. This depends on
the level under consideration. Evolution has no goals of its own that
biology can detect, but this does not address the question of whether
God works through evolution to His ends, just as the random bowshot
that killed Ahab was not aimed by the Aramean archer yet still achieved
God's goal.

>The whole point is that God *wouldn't* have made it this way (pace
>so many biblical verses). Hence, evolution. We can't then
>turn around and say evolution is orthodox.

I know of no explanation for why separate, miraculous creation of
organisms should do such an excellent job of looking like evolution.
Thus, it seems likely that God has created what we observe in biology
and paleobiology through mechanisms that are describable as evolution.
The issues that I mentioned in an earlier post about the role of
miracles also give orthodox theological reasons to expect the process
of creation to be worked largely via ordinary means.

Dr. David Campbell
425 Scientific Collections
University of Alabama, Box 870345
Tuscaloosa AL 35487
"James gave the huffle of a snail in
danger But no one heard him at all" A.
A. Milne
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