RE: It's the Bible or evolution

From: Alexanian, Moorad <>
Date: Tue Sep 27 2005 - 14:55:25 EDT

I am not sure if any process in nature is truly random. If you have a
deterministic system, then there is nothing random except one's
ignorance of the details. For instance, when the weatherman says there
is a 30% chance of rain, he is indicating his degree of ignorance rather
than any random mechanisms in nature. It is only when one brings in
indeterminism, as in quantum mechanics, one can truly talk about
probabilities even when one has maximal knowledge of the system in
question. However, in such cases one must have the dynamics that gives
rise to not only the possible outcomes but also their corresponding
probabilities. Deterministic chaos still corresponds to our ignorance in
how to calculate exact results from systems that are truly


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Freeman, Louise Margaret
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: It's the Bible or evolution

I think it's the terms "random" and "by chance" are the ones that
the most problems. The terms "designed" and "guided" clearly imply
oversight by a higher intelligence, while "purposeless" and "unguided"

its absence. But "random" and "chance"... even Christians acknowledge
there are occasions when outcome is governed by the laws of probablity:
mass dice-throwing exercise I do in my statistics classes to demonstrate

central limit theorem (without which none of the stat tests I use would
work!), the weekly lottery drawings, even pulling numbers out of a hat
for a

church bingo game. If recognition of the role of chance in those
does not necessarily exclude God from that aspect of creation, why
"random" events in evolutionary theory?

Falk spoke of this as a type of freedom woven into God's creation,

to the free will humans have, even if God is all-knowing, all-powerful
sovereign over their lives.The hard part is, conceptualizing the God can

govern random events as well as non-random events.

Louise M. Freeman, PhD
Psychology Dept
Mary Baldwin College
Staunton, VA 24401
FAX 540-887-7121

> ID perspective:
> In common usage among scientists and laity, evolution refers
> the
> development of species through random, purposeless, unguided events
> rather
> than by any type of divine action. As such, evolution is inherently
> antithetical to any orthodox view of creation.

> TE perspective:
> The "common usage" is wrong and evolution can and should be
> divorced
> from the "random, purposeless, unguided.." metaphysical
> Then it can be possible to harmonize with various views of creation.
Received on Tue Sep 27 15:00:40 2005

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.8 : Tue Sep 27 2005 - 15:00:41 EDT