Re: Is evolution really the central theory for all of biology?

From: Cornelius Hunter <ghunter2099@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri Sep 16 2005 - 15:54:52 EDT

Dave:

I'm intrigued that you insist I am "denying the devout Orthodox faith of Dobshansky" which I did not. Can you explain why you think this?

--Cornelius

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: D. F. Siemens, Jr.
  To: ghunter2099@sbcglobal.net
  Cc: asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 11:01 AM
  Subject: Re: Is evolution really the central theory for all of biology?

  IMO you view matters though a strong filter which distorts what is viewed. One result is denying the devout Orthodox faith of Dobshansky. However, recognizing one's own fundamental commitments is one of the most difficult tasks for any human being. Our Lord's mote and beam speaks to the situation.
  Dave

  On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:17:36 -0700 "Cornelius Hunter" <ghunter2099@sbcglobal.net> writes:
    Dave:

    I apologize for the confusion. I don't, however, quite know what you mean when you say I'm using Humpty Dumpty semantics. I thought my point was clear, but I'll try to clarify if you would please explain exactly what you mean. I especially don't follow this:

    "Therefore whatever Dobshansky intended, his definite Christian faith, don't matter. Hunter reads it as a denial of the very possibility of faith."

    What did I write that led you conclude this? Thanks,

    --George

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: D. F. Siemens, Jr.
      To: rjschn39@bellsouth.net
      Cc: ghunter2099@sbcglobal.net ; asa@calvin.edu ; d.nield@auckland.ac.nz
      Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 11:35 AM
      Subject: Re: Is evolution really the central theory for all of biology?

      Bob,
      You apparently haven't realized that Hunter is using strong Humpty Dumpty semantics. HD's own view was that, when he used a word, it meant exactly what he intended it to mean. But here the stronger version requires that the encounter of a word means what the reader/hearer wants it to mean. Therefore whatever Dobshansky intended, his definite Christian faith, don't matter. Hunter reads it as a denial of the very possibility of faith. You are attempting to rationally analyze the situation. I do not know how you can.
      Dave

      On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:24:28 -0400 "Robert Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net> writes:
        And just exactly what is your point? You haven't made it clear what you mean when you say that Dobzhansky's statement "entails theological claims." Surely, you're not saying that if one accepts evolution one must also hold a theology of creation, are you? Dobzhansky says that the two "are not mutually exclusive," and that he can be "both a creationist and and evolutionist." What do you think he means?

        Bob
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Cornelius Hunter
          To: Robert Schneider ; Terry M. Gray ; asa@calvin.edu
          Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:37 PM
          Subject: Re: Is evolution really the central theory for all of biology?

          Exactly my point guys. --Cornelius

          Don Nield <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
            Dobzhansky writes " It is wrong to hold creation and evolution as
            mutually exclusive alternatives. I am a creationist *and* an
            evolutionist." Later he writes "I submit that all these remarkable
            findings make sense in the light of evolution: they are nonsense
            otherwise." He also writes "Seen in the light of evolution, biology is,
            perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science.
            Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts some of them
            interesting or curious but making no meaninglful picture as a whole". He
            also writes "Does the evolutionary doctrine clash with religious faith ?
            It does not", and he goes on to explain that statement.
            Dobzhansky presents evidence that falsifies YEC but it does not falsify
            creation.
            Don

            Robert Schneider <rjschn39@bellsouth.net> wrote:
             They reflect Dobzhansky's own Christian theology of creation, shared by many ...

            Bob Schneider
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