Re: Teaching Evolution - Childs Perspective

From: Terry M. Gray <>
Date: Thu Sep 15 2005 - 11:48:53 EDT


I'm quite surprised that you lump Gould and Dawkins together. I never
counted Gould as a believer, but I never counted him in any way as an
advocate of scientism.


On Sep 15, 2005, at 6:03 AM, Mccarrick, Alan D CIV NSWCCD
Philadelphia, 9212 wrote:

> Keith,
> I would 99% agree with your statement that the story abuses both
> the Christian doctrine of creation and the ideas of evolution.
> However, there are those self proclaimed spokesmen for scientism
> like Sagan, Gould, and Dawkins to name but few who loudly proclaim
> (ed) just the connection you reject: science (and evolutionary
> biology in particular) demonstrate that there is no God at all, and
> we "brights" are the ones you should listen to. Their voices are
> loud and are they hold themselves up as the spokesmen for the world
> of science. I certainly understand how someone can think that
> science equals or leads to atheism after reading Dawkins.
> Believers who also happen to be in the scientific community have
> the enormous job of trying to educate our brothers and sisters who
> don't have much of a background in science, who never met a
> Christian in science and listen to the loudest voices in the
> evangelical community.
> For example, the first evening at the ASA conference, my wife an I
> were talking with some girls in the dinner line about why we were
> there and what they were doing. They were there for a youth
> leadership conference. When we explained what our conference was
> about, she commented to my wife something like, "Oh, that's
> interesting, I didn't know that Christians could be scientists too!"
> (Keith, It was great to meet you and Ruth at Messiah. Your
> presentation in the Panel was quite powerful - I wish each of you
> had more time.)
> Al McCarrick
> Keith wrote:
> The above is symptomatic of, and reinforces, popular false views of
> both evolutionary science and science education. The above does
> not have the slightest relationship to evolution -- the only
> connection is the utterly false view that evolution is atheistic.
> Therefore to teach evolution is to teach atheism. Secondly it
> implies that public science educators seek to teach atheism.
> Another utterly false view. Any public school teacher would
> rightfully be insulted by the above.
> Keith

Terry M. Gray, Ph.D.
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Chemistry Department
Colorado State University
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