Re: God the interactor (was God the tinkerer)

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Fri Sep 02 2005 - 14:51:07 EDT

Let's see if I understand you guys. If you're right, then there was a
something-not-time (snt) before God planned the universe, then a snt
after the original and before the execution when he planned it, then a
later snt when he produced the universe, followed by many other snts. The
last snt that I recognize is the glorification of the elect. I haven't
observed this, yet Romans 8 says it has already happened. So it both is
already and isn't yet. God, being omnipotent, makes it be and not be in
some snt.

However, I still need clarification. How are snts related to time in our
universe/experience? Are snts just an aspect of time? How many snts
occurred during the first period mentioned above? What could have gone on
during these precursor snts?

Why do I get the strong impression that it is not just YECs that talk
nonsense on the claimed basis of scripture?

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Bill Hamilton
<> writes:
I agree with George. Dave can perhaps be satisfied that in the world of
logic he is correct. But logic that ignores the constraints imposed by
knowledge available to us (Scripture) is sterile.
Furthermore, Dave's insistence that God cannot engage in a sequence of
actions limits God. None of us can fully appreciate omnipotence, but I
would want to be very careful about statements to the effect that "God
cannot do X".

George Murphy <> wrote:
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From: "D. F. Siemens, Jr."
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Subject: Re: God the interactor (was God the tinkerer)

> Now, if you can come up
> with a consistent description of a being both outside of time as
> and within time as reactor, apart from the incarnation, I'll
> a mutable deity.

If the qualification "apart from the incarnation" is to be made a
for the discussion then I have nothing further to say about the matter.
Incarnation is the essential reason for talking about God's involvement
the time of the world.


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