Re: God the interactor (was God the tinkerer)

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Wed Aug 31 2005 - 14:14:33 EDT

Without realizing it, you have placed God in time, making it impossible
for him to be the creator of time. See George's citation of Augustine.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:40:59 -0700 "Don Winterstein"
<> writes:
Dave Siemens wrote: "Change requires a before and after, a previous
state and a
succeeding state, requiring time and probably space and matter, with the
possibility of analogs in the case of finite spirits.... If you can come
with a consistent description of a being both outside of time as Creator
and within time as reactor...I'll acknowledge
a mutable deity. "

Any activity whatever requires a before and after, so if God is active
apart from our universe, event sequence exists for him even though not
measurable in our kind of time. By doing anything whatever he creates
event sequence. So event sequence is more fundamental than space-time.
God is outside of our kind of time but he acts and so experiences event

I see no reason why God should not be able to experience also our kind of
event sequence and participate with us in our events. And yes, by
interacting with us he permanently changes. The creation is important to
him, it's not an idle pastime; and he knew at the outset he would be
changed by it.

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