Re: How to encourage a former creationist to persevere in faith?

From: Peter Cook <>
Date: Sun Aug 28 2005 - 22:25:39 EDT


I expect that where some people get in trouble is that the story presents a
view that there was an original state, and it changed; God pronounces that
state "good" or "very good", and that seems to indicate that we were not
created (whatever that means) fallen, but became fallen.

That we are in that state now, and in need of redemption, is what we must
deal with today, but what is presented seems to imply that it was not always

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Strachan" <>
To: "Peter Ruest" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: How to encourage a former creationist to persevere in faith?

> Peter,
> Thanks for these thoughts to add to the many.
> I'd take issue with one point:
> > I agree with Glenn Morton and Dick Fischer that this requirement is not
> > met by relegating the first few Genesis chapters, wholly or in part, to
> > categories like myth and allegory.
> I don't really like the word "relegating" here as it implies that it's
> somehow worth less than the allegory. But when Jesus uses the term
> "born again" to Nicodemus, it means and is worth so much MORE than the
> rigidly literal meaning ascribed by N (can a man enter his mother's
> womb a second time ..).
> The first few Genesis chapters may or may not be literal history, but
> their real value and teaching to us is surely about spiritual states -
> it is the basis of the whole gospel that our Fallen state requires
> redemption. Whether that Fall corresponds to an actual historical
> event, or whether it's an allegorical tale to illustrate the spirutual
> state of all of us, seems not that important, because neither
> interpretation gets away from the fact that we ARE fallen, sinful
> beings and need the redemption through Christ.
> Cheers,
> Iain.
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